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john_galt
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Sherpa Service
Aug 16th, 2015 at 7:06am
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I enjoy Quetico trips primarily for the fishing and I enjoy moving from lake to lake for change of scenery and fishery (ie I do not want to base camp).  I have done Quetico trips in the past and this year did my first fly-in outpost cabin - I enjoyed the fishing, wilderness, and camping more in Quetico.

HOWEVER, for those of us with precious little vacation time (me), those of with medical limitations that make portages even more difficult (other family members of mine), and we limited on our trip routes and how remote we can get into the park (even when we use ultra-light outfitted packages). 

We have in years past explored guide options.  What we really want is more of a "sherpa" - ideally our family members would be in the same canoes together, while another canoe of "sherpas" paddles ahead to set up camp, dinner, cleaning, and the heavy lifting on portages.  This would afford our group the opportunity to more effectively utilize the very limited time we have to spend together in a given year.

Money is not a problem for this group and we really Quetico wilderness over other high-quality fishing options (ie, fly-in/outpost/lodge). 

I have done some searching and heard of a few options - LLC First Nation is one - I'm not even sure if they are still licensed to operate, but I dont like the idea of the motors and live bait.  Has anyone heard of any other options? 

Please only constructive replies...I dont want to hear about "portages are part of the experiences" or "pack lighter" or "base camp".  I've done plenty of portages, we already pack light (we used ultralight outfitting packages), and we are not interested in basecamping.
  
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Re: Sherpa Service
Reply #1 - Aug 16th, 2015 at 12:18pm
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Try Piragis. They once offered something like this - iirc it was based around food and chefs but they leaped to my mind when I read your post.

I will say from a purely practical point of view, if all your packs are in the sherpa canoe, yours are without ballast which I find necessary. Just be prepared. Maybe three in a normally two man canoe overcomes that and saves portaging canoes - assuming the sherpa is ahead of you.
  
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Reply #2 - Aug 16th, 2015 at 5:15pm
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I'll do it.  I have 2 boys that would help as well.  Seriously.  Lets keep in touch.
  
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Reply #3 - Aug 16th, 2015 at 6:58pm
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As someone in a similar situation, you post interests me.  What struck me very vividly was what you wanted your sherpas to do. I see a big difference between sherpas that help on portages and sherpas that do camp chores.  In the former case, you are talking assistance born of necessity.  Physical limitations make such activities problematic.

But for camp chores, I guess my reaction may be along the lines of what you asked not to hear.  Is taking 5 min to set up a tent an issue?  Isn't setting up camp part part of the effective bonding time that is part of the trip? The scenario you described to me sounded like "glamping", not only with sherpas but servants.  I would think in that kind of environment, there would be two separate groups camping together; the staff and the customers.  I know your intention is to bond with family, but wouldn't it be nice of some interesting strangers were part of one group camping together.

Regardless of who is in what canoe, lets say you stayed together as a group.  For every two people, I will assume there are two heavy bags, one day bag, some hand carries, and a canoe.  Each sherpa double portages, canoe/heavy one trip and heavy/hand the next.  Each non-sherpa single portages taking just a day bag. You travel as a group and all contribute to camp, but as in any group, the camp contributions may vary according to preference and abilities.

  
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Reply #4 - Aug 16th, 2015 at 8:40pm
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Azalea - not looking for glamping by any means. This is purely to facilitate going deeper into the park than we would otherwise go (by alleviating physical strain) and allowing for more fishing time.

Setting up a tent definitely takes longer than 5 minutes. Camp chores in general consume a large portion of time (I'd estimate at least a third of the trip is spent on chores).  Paying someone to help gives them a paid trip into quetico (hopefully you'd have someone who enjoys it anyway) and gives you more fishing time and deeper access into the park then you might otherwise get (if that's what you're looking for). Could be a win-win for the right people.

Some fly-ins can cost over $2k/person and you aren't even that remote (there might be 2 dozen other people with you, or by yourself on a smaller Lake that sees a different group every week). If you have 6 people that's a lot of money combined to spend relative to the cost of a typical self-guided quetico trip. I would assume you could find help and in total spend the same or even potentially less.

PhantomJug, I may be in touch in the future.

Does anyone know the legality of just hiring an individual? Do "guides" require licenses to operate in quetico (based on my reading I think the answer is yes). What is the definition of a guide and does the definition contemplate the hiring of help separate from what is typically understood as "guide" services?
  
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Reply #5 - Aug 16th, 2015 at 9:17pm
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John,
It appears you are the one doing all the camp chores for your 5 person group size. Do you have a choice in the matter? Azalea's point about the 5 min tent set suggests that camp chores equally divided should not take so much time. An efficient camp with all hands on board should not employ more than 2 hours work. If you're willing to share some detail of the daily routine, some time savers could be suggested.
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Reply #6 - Aug 16th, 2015 at 10:03pm
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Kids and grandkids make great Sherpas. Don't make it sound like work, because it's fun and everyone is big enough to help. Smiley
  
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Reply #7 - Aug 17th, 2015 at 12:38pm
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I believe there is some sort of regulation regarding guides but not sure what. Pretty sure the Scout base uses the term ranger for the staffer that goes withveach group because of this. I may be corrected.

BTW,Gerald Patterson's A Guide's Tale describes guiding in the BWCAW in a much earlier era, but as I recall what they did is close to what you are looking for. Too bad you can't still take the train to Winton.
  
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Reply #8 - Aug 17th, 2015 at 8:52pm
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I don't know the guide regulations or if it is allowed to pay an individual to be your "sherpa," but I would be concerned about the tax situation. If you end up paying someone from the US to provide you services in Canada, your sherpa may end up in a tax situation they didn't anticipate - having to file a Canadian income tax return and making the US return much more complicated. Paying the accountants might end up costing more than you would pay them to help you out. I would expect that an outfitting business would already know the things they have to do, but an individual just doing it might not be aware of the implications. I'm not an expert in international taxes, so I can't offer any more insights than this (such as how much you can pay/earn before having to file and stuff like that), but it is something to keep in mind.
  
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Reply #9 - Aug 18th, 2015 at 11:15am
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2015 gift tax exclusion is $14,000. Where do I sign up?

I still think just ask your outfitter. I'm sure this is not first time.
  
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