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Jan 5th, 2017 at 8:36am
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#1 - Does the Stanton Bay portage (to and from the parking lot) still have sections with wooden stairs?

#2 - I was once told the northern lobe of Sturgeon was called Diversity Bay and there was a dam that controlled the water level of Sturgeon and therefore Deux Rivers. True?

Ok, maybe three. Enlighten me please.
  
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Reply #1 - Jan 5th, 2017 at 12:23pm
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Summer before last I paddled down the Duex and through the North east lobe of Sturgeon to Allen Creek.  The only dams I crossed were beaver dams on the Duex. A few year ago I went down the Maligne where it flows out of Sturgeon to the first portage/rapids and saw no dam.
  
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2) The northernmost bay of Sturgeon where the Deax and Pickeral rivers enter is called Biodiversity bay on some old maps.

Back in the logging days, there was a wooden dam at the Sturgeon outlet. It was later destroyed when logging was banned and the wilderness park was created. I've read that one can still see the remains with a sharp eye. I've never looked for it. It no longer affects water levels on Sturgeon or anywhere else. My understanding is that it helped with water levels on Bentpine lake and creek. There are logging relics there, so maybe that's where the dam was? Or were there dams in both locations?

Two more questions? Or three? Cool
  
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"and there was a dam that controlled the water level of Sturgeon and therefore Deux Rivers. True?"

don't know about history, but there is no sign of there ever having been a dam on Malign River - that is a huge span to have put a dam in, especially with the current.  Logical place would have been at the first rapid, but I have never seen even the faintest sign that a dam or any other structure had ever been there - usually, you can see some sign of dams or roads, like the dams on Bentpine Creek which had nothing to do with level of Sturgeon lake, but wer used to raise the water level in the creek for transporting logs.  years ago, you could still see the remains of a houseboat in Bentpine, but I didn't notice that last time through there.

logically, there was no reason whatsoever to raise the level of Sturgon Lake - if you wanted to raise the water level in Deux Rivieres, you could much more easily just put a dam in there.
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 5th, 2017 at 7:54pm
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I think MM has it right. The dam was on Bentpine creek.
  
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When I read this post I was reminded that somewhere I saw a map of all the old logging camps in the area before logging was banned and Quetico Park came into being.
I think it showed the man-made dams to move the logs from the logging areas.

I wish I had marked where because so far I can't find it anywhere I've looked.

I did find this. According to the author there WAS a dam on the Maligne River at TWIN Falls which allowed steam powered vessels to go up too?

I'm guessing hauled logs out that came down Maligne?

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Reply #6 - Jan 5th, 2017 at 9:49pm
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[quote author=db link=1483605408/0#0 date=1483605408]#1 - Does the Stanton Bay portage (to and from the parking lot) still have sections with wooden stairs?
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You guys answered all the tough ones, let me take the light load here.   Yes, the wooden stairs were at the Stanton Bay Portage in the Fall of 2014
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 6th, 2017 at 2:59am
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Stairs and long boardwalk at Stanton Bay.
  
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Reply #8 - Jan 6th, 2017 at 8:32am
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Thanks guys! I was wondering if they rotted away by now. Wink As I recall the portage follows a stream at points.

We were talked into it one year and the next year I had a company van so… Then it became Canadian only. Might have been the year before but what are they going to do? Tow it out?

I hate those stairs to this day. The two biggest blisters of my life were caused by new boots and those stairs. My footwear totally changed after I used Gore-tex socks and Converse high tops the rest of that trip.

And I still think that it saves no time at all over a French entry. And if you get a late start and a north wind you could become screwed by the wind depending on your objective for the day.
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 6th, 2017 at 5:18pm
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DB said:
"And I still think that it saves no time at all over a French entry. And if you get a late start and a north wind you could become screwed by the wind depending on your objective for the day."

This is where I keep getting stuck on my decision.  If it is a nice day here is how it plays out. (In my mind anyway)

Stanton entry:
I am calling outfitter while driving to update them on arrival time at French Lake.  I'm sure they don't want to sit and wait an hour or more for me.  I arrive and start transferring gear to their vehicle, when they get there, I feel the stress of making sure I have everything.  Then we drive ( I was told it would be 45 minutes to an hour), unload, portage to the lake, start trip.

French Lake entry:
Check in at Ranger station, drive down to put in, sort my gear, unload canoe.  Park car, walk down to lake, go back to car and get what I forgot, or lock the car... Start my trip.  2 hours of paddling and I am where I would be dropped off, but on the south side of the lake.

The problem is if there is a strong west wind blowing down the lake that day.  Then I progress to the Pines, at best.  But probably would be stuck in Stanton bay if I entered there.  In that situation, I would clearly have a head start the next morning crossing a hopefully calm Pickerel from Stanton.

I keep waffling, If it was free, I'd enter Stanton.  I am now leaning toward French.
  
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