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Yellowbird Voyageur Inukshuk Offline Posts: 1239 Location: Soddy Daisy, TN Joined: Apr 19^th, 2004	Re: 2017 - Picture of the day - POD (cont. 24) Reply #390 - Apr 4^th, 2018 at 1:46pm
	MP, what sticks in my memory was how easily you kept pace with the tandems during those long pushes across the lakes.


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Magicpaddler Inukshuk Offline Posts: 1321 Location: Chicago Burbs Joined: Jan 7^th, 2004	Re: 2017 - Picture of the day - POD (cont. 24) Reply #391 - Apr 4^th, 2018 at 1:56pm
	What I liked about that boat was wind and waves did not bother it.


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solotripper Inukshuk Offline Posts: 8107 Location: clarkston MI Joined: Mar 14^th, 2005	Re: 2017 - Picture of the day - POD (cont. 24) Reply #392 - Apr 4^th, 2018 at 1:57pm
	Yellowbird wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 1:46pm: MP, what sticks in my memory was how easily you kept pace with the tandems during those long pushes across the lakes. It's that Double Paddle. No wasted motion. If you can handle one physically and learn and stick with a paddling technique you can do all day, you can really fly.


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HighnDry Inukshuk Offline Posts: 1056 Location: Minneapolis Joined: Apr 29^th, 2013	Re: 2017 - Picture of the day - POD (cont. 24) Reply #393 - Apr 4^th, 2018 at 7:28pm
	Is that a canak, kayak or canoe with a bow skirt? Looks pretty nifty.


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Magicpaddler Inukshuk Offline Posts: 1321 Location: Chicago Burbs Joined: Jan 7^th, 2004	Re: 2017 - Picture of the day - POD (cont. 24) Reply #394 - Apr 4^th, 2018 at 8:00pm
	That predates canaks. It is a Bell RobRoy. The thing on the front holds the end of the paddle while fighting a fish or portaging. A plastic clip just in front of the cockpit held the paddle shaft.


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Yellowbird Voyageur Inukshuk Offline Posts: 1239 Location: Soddy Daisy, TN Joined: Apr 19^th, 2004	Re: 2017 - Picture of the day - POD (cont. 24) Reply #395 - Apr 4^th, 2018 at 8:46pm
	solotripper wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 1:57pm: Yellowbird wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 1:46pm: MP, what sticks in my memory was how easily you kept pace with the tandems during those long pushes across the lakes. It's that Double Paddle. No wasted motion. If you can handle one physically and learn and stick with a paddling technique you can do all day, you can really fly. In part I agree ST, but the boat itself contributes. I had done one trip in a kayak and remember not being able to match the pace of the passing tandem parties.


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solotripper Inukshuk Offline Posts: 8107 Location: clarkston MI Joined: Mar 14^th, 2005	Re: 2017 - Picture of the day - POD (cont. 24) Reply #396 - Apr 4^th, 2018 at 8:54pm
	Yellowbird wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 8:46pm: solotripper wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 1:57pm: Yellowbird wrote on Apr 4^th, 2018 at 1:46pm: MP, what sticks in my memory was how easily you kept pace with the tandems during those long pushes across the lakes. It's that Double Paddle. No wasted motion. If you can handle one physically and learn and stick with a paddling technique you can do all day, you can really fly. In part I agree ST, but the boat itself contributes. I had done one trip in a kayak and remember not being able to match the pace of the passing tandem parties. I agree the boat design has a lot to do with it too. I'd wager that without that Double Paddle though you'd be hard-pressed to keep pace with a tandem unless you had superior paddling skills and in excellent shape.


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Solus Inukshuk Offline Posts: 967 Location: Northern Minnesota Joined: Oct 6^th, 2006	Re: 2017 - Picture of the day - POD (cont. 24) Reply #397 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 5:30am
	Hate to differ with you ST, but.... Given the same rate or cadence in a sit down boat designed for hit and switch paddling a bent will be more efficient. For a number of reasons but mainly because a greater amount of the energy expended in a proper bent stroke is transferred to the forward motion of the hull. A double blade results in sideways movement or yaw, Yaw increases the farther the paddle stroke is executed from the center line of the boat. Another big factor in efficiency/energy expended is the mass of the paddle; consider the amount of work over 1000s of strokes of an 8oz bent versus a 32oz double blade.. I'm not asserting that a double blade doesn't work better for you and your style of paddling but I contend (and physics will back me up on this) that in a center seat solo designed for hit and switch paddling (i.e. Magic, Prism, Northstar, Advantage, Voyageur etc) a properly wielded bent is a more efficient means of propulsion.


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TomT Inukshuk Offline Posts: 1052 Location: Chicago Burbs Joined: Aug 26^th, 2007	Re: 2017 - Picture of the day - POD (cont. 24) Reply #398 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 12:06pm
	Yeah, that BeaV guy does alright with the hit and switch. The cadence he uses is awe inspiring and seeing him make the switch in a blink is cool too. Hey Solus, remember when I wanted to race you the length of Basswood to prove my yak paddle is faster?


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solotripper Inukshuk Offline Posts: 8107 Location: clarkston MI Joined: Mar 14^th, 2005	Re: 2017 - Picture of the day - POD (cont. 24) Reply #399 - Apr 5^th, 2018 at 12:59pm
	Solus wrote on Apr 5^th, 2018 at 5:30am: Hate to differ with you ST, but.... Given the same rate or cadence in a sit down boat designed for hit and switch paddling a bent will be more efficient. For a number of reasons but mainly because a greater amount of the energy expended in a proper bent stroke is transferred to the forward motion of the hull. A double blade results in sideways movement or yaw, Yaw increases the farther the paddle stroke is executed from the center line of the boat. Another big factor in efficiency/energy expended is the mass of the paddle; consider the amount of work over 1000s of strokes of an 8oz bent versus a 32oz double blade.. I'm not asserting that a double blade doesn't work better for you and your style of paddling but I contend (and physics will back me up on this) that in a center seat solo designed for hit and switch paddling (i.e. Magic, Prism, Northstar, Advantage, Voyageur etc) a properly wielded bent is a more efficient means of propulsion. You can't argue with physics ALL things being equal. I do know that I've kept pace with tandem boats down a lake with the double paddle something I could never have done with a single-paddle with MY skills. I've also had tandem canoes with a good team blow by me like I was standing still. I've never seen a solo/single paddler do that but then again maybe they were like me with a single. I'd like to hear from someone that uses BOTH on a regular basis on a trip? Which is faster for them over a distance assuming they can physically handle the extra weight of a double plus the negative physics involved? I see more and more solo, paddlers, using them so they must get something out of it? Maybe I wouldn't feel this way IF my canoe was a true solo and not a tandem? Maybe when TomT gets his new ride and you can match each other load wise, you could do a single/double match race over a set distance? Videotape it for sure. I'd love to watch that.


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