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Reply #400 - Apr 5th, 2018 at 1:10pm
 
What Solus says re: the different styles of paddle makes sense to me and rings true to me based upon my personal experience with both types of paddles.  True, I've had the "illusion", at times, that I was going faster with the double-blade - and, perhaps, for a period of time, I was - but I always ended up returning to my trusted bent shaft.  I did this for several different reasons. I wasn't used to the motion so my shoulders & chest would tire out.  OR, the "metal" double-blade I own proved too heavy for anyone to sustain for very long.  OR, I'd run into wind & water conditions that seemed out of my comfort zone using the double-blade, etc. & so on.  Anyway, I've always bounced back to the bent shaft.

I have allowed that a lighter double-blade paddle of the right length, more training on technique, a different kind of canoe, etc., might help my double-blade paddling.  However, the more conversations I have with folks who actually build & sell the canoes I paddle, the more I hear about the "physics" that Solus has described so well based upon design of the vessel, etc..  I appreciate the fact that Solus allows for the idiosyncratic styles of other paddlers who might actually perform better with double-blades.  I DO know they are a dedicated bunch.  You'd have to pry their double-blades out of their cold, dead fingers before they let go.  I figure there must be a reason for that; it must work for them, to some extent.

Anyway, my only point is that my own personal experience and research match up well with what Solus outlines.  I'd be quite willing to race a double-bladed paddler in the SAME canoe as mine over a distance of two or three miles using my bent shaft.  In fact, I'd bet a case of beer on it.  Please note, I'd be far less inclined to make that bet over a shorter distance... say, half-a-mile.  Inefficiency might not take its toll over such a short length....

By the way, I think I recognize today's POD.  Bill, I assume these are still shots taken from that 2006 expedition, right?  Regardless, nice pic!

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Reply #401 - Apr 5th, 2018 at 2:31pm
 
Jimbo,

I hope someone takes you up on your case of beer offer?  Grin Grin
It might be easier to use just YOUR canoe and ballast it out to make-up for different paddler weights.

You could do a 2-3 mile TIMED loop.

On a serious note, I did a little Googling and the comments were ALL over the place physics or not.

Many were by very knowledgeable paddlers too.
It all seemed to boil down to what works for THEM as much as anything else.

One guy uses both like I do and even said he started with a HEAVY Mohawk Double paddle like I use and upgraded to a carbon fiber shaft/resin blade to go with his carbon fiber bent shaft. Says he can't use the Mohawk anymore it's like wielding a log!  Embarrassed Cry Grin

I might have to get one after reading that. Grin Grin
  
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Reply #402 - Apr 5th, 2018 at 2:52pm
 
Ok Jimbo.  Last year I was using a nice light weight bent shaft someone loaned me and I could not quite keep up with you.  This year I hope to be swinging my double blade.  We will see if I can keep up now.
  
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Reply #403 - Apr 5th, 2018 at 3:20pm
 
Jimbo wrote on Apr 5th, 2018 at 1:10pm:
By the way, I think I recognize today's POD.  Bill, I assume these are still shots taken from that 2006 expedition, right? 

Jimbo, this series of pics is the same trip.  The view is from camp "JM" on Brent looking south.  We took a lunch stop before catching up with your group on Suzanette.
  
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Reply #404 - Apr 5th, 2018 at 4:42pm
 
Magicpaddler wrote on Apr 5th, 2018 at 2:52pm:
Ok Jimbo.  Last year I was using a nice light weight bent shaft someone loaned me and I could not quite keep up with you.  This year I hope to be swinging my double blade.  We will see if I can keep up now.


Hmmm... guess I'll have to throw in a few boulders to load you up similar to me, Magic!

What ST says about "what works for them" re: individual paddlers makes some sense.  That, and also what Solus said about canoes that were geared for "hit & switch" paddling.  All I know is that, SO FAR, paddling my Prism seems far more efficient with a bent shaft than with a double-blade.  That is what works for me.

At this very moment, however, I'd love to be using EITHER type of paddle if only the couple feet of snow and the ice on the lakes would go away!  Didn't somebody say it was Spring Time?  Another snow storm due to hit the Twin Cities on Sunday night.  Ugh!!!

Bill, your pics are warming me up.  Your pics follow basically the same route I'll be doing this year, except in reverse.  I need the encouragement so I hope there are several more!

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Reply #405 - Apr 6th, 2018 at 1:36am
 
The variable of watercraft, paddler, technique, seating position and paddle is so vast that it's really an impossible argument and  probably ridiculous to engage in.  What works for you is what works- there is no argument in or with that.

I remember that view on Brent when we stayed there for three nights in the mid-eighties, battling big pike and gorging on lakers. Campsite was in better shape then.
  
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Reply #406 - Apr 6th, 2018 at 10:36am
 
Solus wrote on Apr 6th, 2018 at 1:36am:
The variable of watercraft, paddler, technique, seating position and paddle is so vast that it's really an impossible argument and  probably ridiculous to engage in.  What works for you is what works- there is no argument in or with that.


You must not be a very competitive person.  I was talking - My empty Blackhawk (the fiberglass freighter) with my BB plastic Slice double vs. Your empty Voyageur (?) with your 8 oz. bent shaft that will blow away if you set it down.

Mano E Mano.  Local vs. Illinois flatlander.  We will start out in front of William and Hall and go to the PP portage landing.  First one to beach their boat wins.  The trophy will be a bronze foot tall solo paddler holding his choice of paddle high overhead.

JK. I like to exercise my imagination with my coffee.  Wink   
  
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Reply #407 - Apr 6th, 2018 at 10:42am
 
I really don't like stepping on that stuff.  It takes a long time to regenerate.  Cool pic.
  
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Reply #408 - Apr 6th, 2018 at 11:49am
 
Bill,

Is this the top of the cliff on Darky Lake (above the pictos)? I believe you were one of the few guys that made that climb, if I recall correctly.   You found some nice blueberries up there, too!  If so, I would be that small speck on the water below you (left of center) as I continued to fish for lake trout.

Could be you climbed another cliff somewhere along the line, though, too. Just curious.

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Reply #409 - Apr 6th, 2018 at 2:12pm
 
Nice contrast Bill in today's POD.

Had to get out a magnifying glass to see if that was indeed a paddler ( Jimbo?) after reading his post.

Never fished Darky on my way thru for LT, will have to remember that next time there.
  
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