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How Do Cached Food Supplies Work in Quetico?
Mar 6th, 2017 at 10:31pm
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Over in the "Bookshelf" forum, Mossback appropriately suggested that a tangential discussion re: "cached food supplies in Quetico"  probably deserves its own thread.  So here it is.

Honestly, I'm not sure it's "legal" to cache food supplies.  The question came up in the context of planning extended canoe trip of 3+ weeks.  In fact, I believe I read somewhere that food caches are not allowed.  I guess I'm just too lazy at the moment to do the research.  Instead, I'm thinking someone on the board will know the answer off the top of their head.

The topic came up as part of a side-bar conversation regarding planned lengthy solo trips in the park as part of one's "retirement" present to oneself.  I had mentioned that such a thought had crossed my mind and the way I might do it would be to use food caches.

Frankly, what I actually had in mind was this:
1) I'd have an outfitter friend do a food drop for me at (or near) a park entry point, OR
2) I'd have a paddling friend ferry a food pack out to me as part of a pre-arranged rendezvous.  This could happen anywhere, I suppose.

Having teed-up those possible solutions, I DO know of folks who have actually placed hidden caches of food in the interior of the park.  They simply didn't want to haul an extra pack around on all portages.  Instead, they tucked the 2nd pack away in a spot where it was extraordinarily unlikely that anyone might find it.  Of course, they were careful to avoid leaving scents on that pack.  As far as I know, they didn't encounter any issues (legal, pilfering or bruin in nature).

None of this is to say that such practice is either condoned or permitted by park authorities.  Again, I simply do not know... which is my point of posting the question.

Who will be the first QJ member to confirm my suspicion about this practice and end the great mystery?

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Re: How Do Cached Food Supplies Work in Quetico?
Reply #1 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 12:29am
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I think if I was doing that I'd mail a box with food to a ranger station not inside the wilderness like PP,  but like Dawson Trail and then you just fill up your current pack and dump your garbage and go. then you're at least not hauling an extra empty pack around. 

You might be able to grab a shower and a meal there too. (This is all said by me never having been to Dawson Trail so take it for what its worth)



  
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Re: How Do Cached Food Supplies Work in Quetico?
Reply #2 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 12:58am
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The question came up in the context of planning extended canoe trip of 3+ weeks


I took one food pack on my 21-day spring trip and came out with enough food for 2-3 days and DIDN'T catch many fish. Could of went another 7 days IF I was eating fish everyday.

I make up my own food, combo of off the shelf and some fresh in the form of whole wheat tortillas/ venison sticks and Baby Bell cheese. I don't pack light and I had 3 liters of homemade "snake bite" medicine which isn't light.

Look for food that gives tho most complex calories for the weight and pack smart, you might not need to cache at all?

  
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Re: How Do Cached Food Supplies Work in Quetico?
Reply #3 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 2:58am
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I believe that the answer to your question is that it is illegal to stash (cache) anything in the park. I'm too lazy to look it up, but I know I've seen it in the rules.

That said, I've found other people's caches. I've never known what the proper response should be. Usually, I leave it alone and report locations upon leaving the park.

The option of exiting to reload requires a new permit. The option of setting up a Rendezvous could be problematic if something unforeseen causes either party to miss the connection. Probably, the safest option is to carry it all or to preplan that 2nd permit.

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Re: How Do Cached Food Supplies Work in Quetico?
Reply #4 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 4:56am
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A couple of thoughts here,then I am backing out of the fray.

I like ST's notion of packing an ample supply of quality food in enough quantity to last 3 weeks, but I imagine my old arthritic knees would protest the weight penalty.  Still I like the idea.

I was not aware, or had forgotten, that once you leave the park your permit dies.  So if you are travelling a border route and stop for lunch on the USA side is that technically game over?

I recall the BWJ story of Gary Fielder spending 7 months in the BW and Quetico and during that time his partner made several re-supplies to him.  I do not remember if she came into the parks or he came out.

Sorry, it looks like I drifted off the subject matter again.


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Reply #5 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 1:01pm
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How long are you stashing it.  I frequently hang a food pack when out for the day.  I have hung my pack for a couple of days when doing a bushwhack into a remote lake.  Then retrieve it on my way out. I have taken gear across long portages one day and finished the portage the next day. Word of caution on doing that it can leave you pants less. Legal Illegal?
  
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Re: How Do Cached Food Supplies Work in Quetico?
Reply #6 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 1:14pm
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A month solo sounds great to me but I know I would love a midway break of coming out for maybe a half day to regroup and talk to actual people.

Carrying all that weight like ST did just doesn't sound appealing to my old bones.  I like to be stealthy and not like a mule.  I say go for a parachute drop in a lake.  Use a mirror to signal the pilot. Yeah, that's it.  Then burn the crate and chute and be on your way.

  
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Re: How Do Cached Food Supplies Work in Quetico?
Reply #7 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 1:15pm
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I'm quite sure - from having asked the office and several rangers - you can leave and re-enter Quetico at will as long as you have a permit covering that time. So "stash" it at Dawson Creek or any place around the park, hitch a ride into Ely or Atikokan to shop, stay a night, whatever. They love you paying for nights not used!  Pay for 365 nights and come and go as you please.

I don't know the stash rule in the Q but I did learn in BWCA you can stash as during the duration of your permit. I don't see the reason this would not be allowed in Q.
  
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Re: How Do Cached Food Supplies Work in Quetico?
Reply #8 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 2:45pm
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I like to be stealthy and not like a mule.


When you spend longer than say 2 weeks solo, you better have a little "mule" in you or your not going to fair very well.
 
  One thing about a food pack is that you can lighten it as you go and if you do like I do and plan some camp days after rough stretches it's not that hard to carry a fairly heavy food pack.

  I figure my pack for that 21-day trip was about 60lbs starting out and I could have easily cut 10lbs from that IF I didn't like my camp luxuries at night.

  Most people will 2X anyway and if you have the time you can 3x IF needed.

  I think the logistics involved trying to get someone to drop a food pack for you at the right time or plan a "loop" where you can pick-up food that YOU left early on just makes for a lot of extra things that can go wrong. I'd make a real effort to bring all my food with some careful planning.

Q-Dave likes to tell the story of one of his old clients who was a college professor and who would spend the summer traveling around to different parks canoeing/camping.

He came up one spring to Q having read a bunch of books about living off the land by fishing and eating wild edibles. Dave said he brought a food pack with just some coffee and few food items, about the size of a daypack. He said his days of carrying a heavy food pack were now over!  Wink Grin Grin

He stayed in for a month traveling most of the border region. When Q-D picked him up at BH, he said he looked like a concentration camp survivor Shocked

Turns out living off the land while trying to keep a traveling schedule isn't as easy as the books make it appear to be.

The guy was so starved for carbs, he made Dave drive him into Atikokan and proceeded to gorge himself while Q-D looked on in amazement on how much the skinny little guy could eat.

I'd rather carry a heavy food pack and NOT need the food than the other way around.  Wink Grin Grin






  
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Re: How Do Cached Food Supplies Work in Quetico?
Reply #9 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 4:22pm
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The longest I've been out solo was 23 days and I carried all my food with me and fit all my gear, food and me in a 12 foot kayak.  I seldom dehydrate meals and never carry the packaged dehydrated foods you can buy; too expensive for the unfamiliar/poor taste they provide IMO.  I also do not try to catch/clean/cook fish. 
It is hard to find single serve packaged rice and pasta dishes so I am also often carrying more than I will eat in one meal and might keep leftover dinner for breakfast the next day.  I also almost always come home with extra food; seems on a hard and hot day, I lose my appetite. 
Regarding a food drop, mid-trip:  Some boundary areas are served by outfitters who are delivering people to a jump-off point.  It would not be too hard to arrange a meeting with an outfitter who would supply food or bring your pre-packed food which you have sent ahead to them.  Easy spots to do that would be Prairie Portage, Beaver House at parking lot, edge of Q at Saganaga Lake, French Lake, Bottle Portage, etc.  I've used Anderson's, LaTourelle's and Voyageur North outfitters for tows several times and find them organized and alert enough to be able to remember your request.  Wink
  
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