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Reply #10 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 10:55am
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jimmar wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 12:33am:
A few rock structures don't bother me, heck I've built a few small ones expecting they be toppled.  Nails I hate, hatchet hacks on trees I really hate, trash in fire pits I hate, but what really chaps MY ass, is profuse evidence that "the hand of man" has been wiping "the ass of man" strewn about the campsite.  On my last trip I found piles of feces and TP right next to tent sites. Some people are just pigs.


Sums up my feelings well. "Structures" made if only natural materials - seats and tables and fire pits  - don't bother me.
  
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Reply #11 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 12:02pm
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It's not that difficult.  Don't be a campsite pig and leave the site as you would have liked to have found it.  So pack out or burn all your trash...don't leave it in the firepit for me to pick out (I always do, if any is there). Do your business well away from camp and bury everything. If I can tell where your latrine area was, you can and should do better. Don't put nails in trees, don't cut live saplings for your tarp pole, don't stash firegrates or anything else, don't haul in non-native materials to build camp furniture (heck don't even build any with native materials).

I used to use log benches a lot more but camp chairs are so light and comfortable there's no need. I won't deconstruct what's there but I won't use it either.

It's been a long time since I've been to any campsite that receives even moderate traffic that doesn't have at least a couple nails in trees. If they are there, I'll use them. If not, I have bungee cords and/or rope that will suffice for me to hang anything I need to hang.

If you cut any live saplings/trees for any purpose, they are getting immediately dragged way back in the forest. I don't want to have to explain why it's there if the ranger shows up.  Collapsible tarp poles are very light and a lot more reliable.

If you stash grates, lawn furniture, etc. I will pack them out if it's reasonable for me to do so. The last day or two of a trip, it's a virtual guarantee I will do so. Early in a trip which involves a lot of travel/portages, I'll probably leave your crap stashed well out of sight but not too hard to find if you look. I don't need/want to carry it all over the Q.

I will reconstruct the firepit to suit my needs if it doesn't already. Some are completely ridiculous. Most are fine even if they could be a lot smaller. I mostly cook on stoves but I do grill venison/steaks/fish so I just want a way to get my firegrate level and at the proper height.

I do appreciate a nice flat/level surface for camp stoves. I've seen all kinds of rocks used for this, some work great and some don't. If it doesn't work, I'm moving it out of my way. If it does the job well, it will still be there when I leave.
  
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Reply #12 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 12:21pm
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I am at a disadvantage here, as I cannot figure out how to use the "quote" feature, and anyway, I know I am talking "apples and oranges" with you guys.  Just another couple of comments:

PJ:  I know that you know this, but there are hundreds of campsites in the BWCA that are not like Lake Three.  Just like there are hundreds of portages in the Q unlike Prairie Portage.

And in my four decades in the canoe country (BWCA primarily, with some trips in Quetico, Algonquin, and one in Temagami) the only times I have encountered the problem with TP and human waste scattered around it was not in the BWCA.  Also, have never encountered items like grates and lawn furniture stashed in the BW, nor are there large chimney-type fireplaces.  Yes, the portages are easier, and depending upon where and when you go, you will see a lot more people.  It has a different feel about it, a less "wilderness" feel, than the Q.

Some don't disparage, but many do. 

Nails in trees really bother me.  I rarely remember seeing them, and even more rarely remember using one.  I think what bothers me most is when people carve initials in birch trees or strip the bark.  In fact, the initial-carving is probably one of my biggest pet peeves wherever I go in the great outdoors.
  
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Reply #13 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 7:01pm
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I enjoy using the benches and fire pit - otherwise, don't like to see "artwork" or whatever - if I don't like it, I will take it down.
Mostly, don't see too much except logs around a fire pit.
  
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Reply #14 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 7:34pm
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There is an iron set of horse-shoes, a bocce ball kit and 4 golf clubs at the sand beach campsite on Soho.  At least they were there 3 years ago.  I told the park about it.  Anyone been there lately?

What would you do?
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Reply #15 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 8:05pm
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What would you do?


I would do what you did, tell the park about it.

I don't feel it's my duty/responsibility to tear down man-made objects when the park is being run by the Native Peoples who are responsible for it.

  TP/sanitation/garbage is MY responsibility anything else IMHO is getting into a GREY area.

I've camped right behind NATIVE crews and I can tell you from first-hand experience THEY follow their OWN guidelines on what's acceptable backcountry behavior that might not fit the Governments.

The Northern most campsite on Turtle Island on BH is where many Native people group camp when they visit friends/relatives working at the BH ranger station.
 
  The last time I stayed there before leaving park, there was an area where they had stashed numerous buckets/fire grates that they used while camping.

For all, anyone knows that RESORT gear was put there by the Natives?

You tell the park rangers, you've done your duty, what happens next is on them.
  
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Reply #16 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:07pm
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I've noticed that three seem to be relatively few new nails in trees in the Quetico and that in a fair number of places folks have removed them. If present and convenient I hang my water bag from them. I tell folks I'm camping with that they are "native american nails"- from before the time of Europeans.
  
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Reply #17 - Jul 28th, 2017 at 12:18pm
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The nails surprise me but it seems I see more in bwca now than 10 years ago. I don't carry anything to pull them and not about to add tools.



  
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Reply #18 - Jul 28th, 2017 at 1:14pm
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PhantomJug wrote on Jul 27th, 2017 at 7:34pm:
There is an iron set of horse-shoes, a bocce ball kit and 4 golf clubs at the sand beach campsite on Soho.  At least they were there 3 years ago.  I told the park about it.  Anyone been there lately?
They were not there in 2015.

Disregard for cleanliness, tidiness, and wanton waste annoy me anywhere I go, be it the canoe country or my kids bedroom.  So factoring these out of the mix, I take no offence at what is seen up there.  I don't go there to see what the earth looked like before Columbus. But I can have an idea of what it did.  What distinguishes the purity of it for me is being able to drink the lake water and unable to hear the sound of media broadcast.  Add to this, my trips are a fishing vacation.  I know of no other place where quality comes at such a reasonable cost in terms of both travel time and dollars.

I second Mossback's comment regarding the unused sites.  These exist in the BW as well.  They are remote and offer no appeal, except that the fishing can be quite good, even right out front.

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Reply #19 - Jul 29th, 2017 at 5:14pm
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I thought the POD for 7/26 was a real work of art.
I also think being offended by a scrap of toilet paper or a bit of aluminum foil left in the fire-pit borders on OCD behavior; IMO it is far better in the fire-pit than strewn about the campsite. 
I agree with Solus, nails are sometimes useful and you need good eyesight to even notice them most of the time.
Everyone has their own idea of what the "ideal" fire ring is.  If it is too big, YOU have obviously chosen a site which is used a lot. . . and which could easily disappoint you in other ways (above). 
"No sign of human hands..." Really ?!  99.9% of you live in-town (city, megalopolis) surely any woods or green grass is more wild and untouched than city life.
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