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Reply #10 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 1:51pm
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The best lessons come from other people's mistakes


That's why I appreciate anyone who takes the time and effort to do a trip report. I've learned a lot of GOOD stuff from other's ways of doing things.

But the MOST valuable are as you say the mistakes of others. I've made plenty but tried to learn from them. IF my screw-up can help someone avoided the same thing and maybe get a laugh or two, then it's worth the effort to tell the tale.
  
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Reply #11 - Sep 9th, 2017 at 4:13pm
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"I know some will dispute this and maybe it changed in last few years, but these regulations do not apply to US citizens in US owned craft."

that is my understanding as well.

We did get checked by Quetico rangers this year, but they never looked at equipment except to check for barbless hooks, and of course checked out our paperwork.   Likely it is just the Canadian outfitters that have to comply.

I just about guarantee that there isn't one person in a million who can throw a throwrope out much more than 20 or 30 feet - 50' is ridiculous.  I always carry one on river trips, and they can be handy to use to tie up your boat when its a long way from the shore to the nearest tree, but mine is 25' I think (or maybe 30', but no longer) - I have used it a few times to fish out swimmers, and I know I couldn't possibly throw one much more than 20' accurately.   The boats we rented for Bowron Lakes provided some really crappy 50' throw ropes with the cinch so crapped up with sand and gunk that they couldn't be deployed in an emergency - took me about 5 minutes to work one free to use to tie up a boat.
  
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Reply #12 - Sep 9th, 2017 at 5:29pm
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I just about guarantee that there isn't one person in a million who can throw a throwrope out much more than 20 or 30 feet - 50' is ridiculous.


  That floating yellow poly-rope they use in throw-bags and many people use for boating needs is hard to tie, tangles easily and as you say just about impossible to throw unless you have something heavy on the end.

I think anyone who thinks they can throw 50' of it to a person with any degree of certainty with just a throw bag, should try it out before they actually NEED it.

  About kin to the people who THINK they can put on and fasten a PFD when they're are IN the water already. Try it and let me know how easy it is. Add in wind/waves and cold water, you better HOPE someone can throw that 50' of throw rope Cry Cry.
  
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Reply #13 - Sep 10th, 2017 at 12:09pm
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Throw rope versus throw bag: Mad-Mat says 20-50' and West Marine advertises "easily 50-75 feet" for theirs.  I'm just trying to understand this.
  
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Reply #14 - Sep 10th, 2017 at 12:37pm
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I'm just trying to understand this


  You see climber's, Special Forces guy's deploy rope in a bag. The weight of the rope in the bag keeps it from tangling like a coiled rope is prone to do.

  I think it's the same idea with the throw bag vs coiled throw rope. The rope in that bag had better be stowed properly or else it won't play out and you lose distance.

I'm a big believer in testing out equipment BEFORE you need it, if POSSIBLE?

  Those throw bags are reusable, so if you're going to carry one, I'd take it out into the yard and see first-hand how far you can throw it?

I'd also do it in windy conditions. Then I'd learn how to store it right and toss it again to check my work.

  IF as West Marine says, it will easily go 50-75 ft, that's great. I just wouldn't bet someone's life on that claim without verifying it for myself.
  
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Reply #15 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 6:04pm
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I found this. Go down to Safety Equipment Requirements and read the first paragraph.
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Reply #16 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 1:29am
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Jim J Solo wrote on Sep 12th, 2017 at 6:04pm:
I found this. Go down to Safety Equipment Requirements and read the first paragraph.
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Wow! That's going to cut into throw bag sales. Wink
  
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Reply #17 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 10:41am
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I don't know which part to read.

"The Regulations do not apply to non-residents who operate their pleasure craft in Canadian waters for less than 45 consecutive days. Please note that a proof of residence will be required on board at all times."

Or

"If you are not a resident of Canada and are using a pleasure craft licensed or registered in Canada, all of the required safety equipment must meet Canadian safety requirements."
  
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Reply #18 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 5:59pm
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BillConner wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 10:41am:
I don't know which part to read.

"The Regulations do not apply to non-residents who operate their pleasure craft in Canadian waters for less than 45 consecutive days. Please note that a proof of residence will be required on board at all times."

Or

"If you are not a resident of Canada and are using a pleasure craft licensed or registered in Canada, all of the required safety equipment must meet Canadian safety requirements."


Foreign pleasure craft (pleasure craft that are licensed or registered in a country other than Canada) need to comply with equipment requirements of the country in which the vessel is usually kept.
  
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Reply #19 - Sep 14th, 2017 at 10:19am
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Yes. I missed that in this link. That was the issue I pointed out above. Your own canoe, CA regs do not apply.
  
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