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Mar 5th, 2019 at 4:07am
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Always good to get this when it's around 0 degrees outside. Jimbo has a nice little article about setting up a campsite.  Mr. Pine Knot gets a shout out.  The story of the couple capsizing on Lac La Croix is a good read. Man I hope I never have to experience that.
  
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Reply #1 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 4:23am
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Back in December I asked the group here about summertime Lac La Croix  water temps.   That article about the couple being in the water for hours gave me the Willies.

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Reply #2 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:25pm
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Yeah, me too.  It's my greatest fear except being in a tornado in the BW.  I wish the author spoke more about being cold.  I don't think she even mentioned it.  It must have been very warm.
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:22pm
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It must have been very warm.


I went thru Lac La Croix from Black Robe portage to Maligne River on my FUBAR trip in late May.

I drank lake water as I paddled and it was still ICE cold. If you went over you wouldn't last long.

They were very lucky it happened to them when it did or else the ending would have been much different.
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 4:12pm
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Living 800 miles South of the BWCA/Quetico does not give me a feel for seasonal lake temps.  That's why I previously asked.   I would have guessed a 2 hour event in a body of water like Lac La Croix would surly have caused some level of hypothermia?  The article read as though they just got to shore, shed wet clothes and went on.

So, in an average sized lake and average weather temps, in the Quetico, what season or range of dates can a person survive a 2 hour or so immersion?

This may have some bearing on when I  schedule solo trips.

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Reply #5 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 4:34pm
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MossBack wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 4:12pm:
   I would have guessed a 2 hour event in a body of water like Lac La Croix would surly have caused some level of hypothermia?  The article read as though they just got to shore, shed wet clothes and went on.



Right?  I found that to be very strange.  I'm thinking it must have been very warm out for an extended time and the surface waters were not that cold.  Like ST says though, on a large body of water especially one being churned up with waves I gotta believe it wouldn't take long to go numb.  Maybe they were wearing wet suits.  Cool


  
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Reply #6 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 5:57pm
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So, in an average sized lake and average weather temps, in the Quetico, what season or range of dates can a person survive a 2 hour or so immersion?


I don't think there is answer for this question because there are so MANY variables involved not just time and water temp.

  How FIT a person is plays a big role. Does your PDF/clothing provide some level of core insulation?

Is the sun shining and or the wind blowing? I'm assuming they capsized in windy conditions?

This link has some good info. I wouldn't worry about
water temps when you plan your solo trips MB, just
PADDLE according to the conditions you find.

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Reply #7 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 9:32pm
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I hug the shorelines when paddling in early spring and late fall, close enough that a VERY SHORT swim will get me to where I can stand up and get out of the water.  If you can go along a lee shore it is also much easier paddling.  If in heavy wind, being able to see your way out of the situation quickly, if needed, goes a long way to making you relaxed and confident in the waves.  No matter what season, it takes a very long time to paddle or swim a swamped canoe any distance to shore.
Regarding timing:  Mid-June to the end of August water temps are bearable.  Keep in mind that darker lakes and shallow areas, and rivers, are warmer in general and big, deep and windier lakes will be colder even in mid-summer.
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:16am
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When I first started making trips North, all of them were in the early spring.  Hypothermia never occurred to me as a problem.   Now with more solo travel on my horizon I find myself looking at areas with smaller lakes.  But there are not many without having to first travel some much bigger lakes to get to them.

ST, I understand that physical condition and many other variables all play into the decisions, but I cannot roll back the hands of time.  Fitness can also be limited by things completely out of your control.  Then it becomes a game of knowing your own limitations.  Your advice is always sound.

IC, I am already following much of what you suggest.  I have been hugging banks for years and trying to stay aware of where I am and how condition are changing.  But needing to cross open bodies of water is also a fact of life on any trip.   Thank You for your advice as well. 

I just need to quit wringing my hands and whining and find a way to spend more time on the water.

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Reply #9 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 4:05am
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In early spring I would not be more than 10 minutes from shore if I tipped.  You are not going to be able to right a swamped canoe and you will not be able to pull a canoe to shore even if it is only 50 yards from shore.  I would be very careful in early spring conditions.  The next time you go to Quetico in the early spring go for a swim and see how long it takes to get really really cold.  It will be less than 5 minutes.
  
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