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Reply #30 - Jul 11th, 2019 at 5:13pm
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i use braid and like longer rods, 7ft is the shortest ive taken up there in years. when i take a dedicated trolling rod (line counter) instead of multi purposing a baitcaster or spinning, its 9ft. i do use a 6ft 12# mono leader for trolling.

to me, rod holders are a must, but i own my canoe, so they are mounted permanently. having them mounted securely where they are easily accessible is quite important to me. ive never had a fish hit and questioned whether it was a fish or not, its always a ruckus.

im a big fan of lures that dart and have an erratic action on their own. hot n tots are my favorite. they hook well, have great colors and have great action. the rapala scatter series, especially the taildancers, are also great. i still pluck my line occasionally to get the extra darting in the lure.

for jigging i like big hair jigs, 1/2-3/4oz.
  
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Reply #31 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 7:51pm
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I just want to add my two cents on using a mono leader for trolling for the benefit of guests to this site.  Lots of people use mono leaders and they all think that they catch more fish because of the mono leader is harder for fish to see.  I personally see no benefit to using a mono leader.  I know lots of people on this site will disagree with me.  I just think that braided line is so much better than mono.  So if you are new to trolling for lake trout go ahead and use braided line tied directly to a snap.  In my opinion there is no benefit to using a mono leader and several disadvantages.
  
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Reply #32 - Jul 13th, 2019 at 2:47am
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Westwood wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 7:51pm:
I just want to add my two cents on using a mono leader for trolling for the benefit of guests to this site.  Lots of people use mono leaders and they all think that they catch more fish because of the mono leader is harder for fish to see.  I personally see no benefit to using a mono leader.  I know lots of people on this site will disagree with me.  I just think that braided line is so much better than mono.  So if you are new to trolling for lake trout go ahead and use braided line tied directly to a snap.  In my opinion there is no benefit to using a mono leader and several disadvantages.


I thought is was more for the give or stretch at the hook set so it doesn't rip out of the mouth. I gave up on mono mainly because of the "memory" and line tangles.  I'm trying Berkley's "Nanofil" line on one of my reels this summer.  It is not mono or braid and absolutely limp with no memory.  The knock on it is that it nicks or abrades easily. It's very very thin diameter too.
  
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Reply #33 - Jul 13th, 2019 at 3:07am
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TomT wrote on Jul 13th, 2019 at 2:47am:
Westwood wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 7:51pm:
I just want to add my two cents on using a mono leader for trolling for the benefit of guests to this site.  Lots of people use mono leaders and they all think that they catch more fish because of the mono leader is harder for fish to see.  I personally see no benefit to using a mono leader.  I know lots of people on this site will disagree with me.  I just think that braided line is so much better than mono.  So if you are new to trolling for lake trout go ahead and use braided line tied directly to a snap.  In my opinion there is no benefit to using a mono leader and several disadvantages.


I thought is was more for the give or stretch at the hook set so it doesn't rip out of the mouth. I gave up on mono mainly because of the "memory" and line tangles.  I'm trying Berkley's "Nanofil" line on one of my reels this summer.  It is not mono or braid and absolutely limp with no memory.  The knock on it is that it nicks or abrades easily. It's very very thin diameter too.


If your a fan of braid or you want to try it, give this a look see. I have it in #15 on my spinning reel I use around here for bass. Half the cost of name brand braid, I think it's as good or better than other braids I've used.

The reviews seem to agree, if you take that into your buying decision?

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Reply #34 - Jul 13th, 2019 at 3:28am
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I use 10-12# mono when trolling whether it’s for lakers, waldos or anything. I want the stretch to absorb the shock to enable better reaction time to get the fish headed to me. Often, at the strike, the canoe is heading one way and the fish is heading another way. It’s not possible to instantly stop the canoes momentum and grab the rod to fight the fish in that same instant.

Your mileage may vary. I have no quarrel with those who use braids or other lines. Cool
  
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Reply #35 - Jul 13th, 2019 at 10:51am
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Old Salt wrote on Jul 13th, 2019 at 3:28am:
I use 10-12# mono when trolling whether it’s for lakers, waldos or anything. I want the stretch to absorb the shock to enable better reaction time to get the fish headed to me. Often, at the strike, the canoe is heading one way and the fish is heading another way. It’s not possible to instantly stop the canoes momentum and grab the rod to fight the fish in that same instant.

Your mileage may vary. I have no quarrel with those who use braids or other lines. Cool


One of the first things you learn about braid when you switch from mono is you better have your drag set right. Without that stretch, you get a big fish on or hit a snag you're going to either break the line or if you're not paying attention that rod might go for a swim.  Wink Grin Grin

My brother learned another valuable lesson about  braid. He was landing a big bass and made the mistake of wrapping the braid around his hand like he used to do with mono to take up slack while he lipped the LMB. He had a nice bloody ring around his wrist to remind him not to do THAT again. Huh Cry Grin
  
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Reply #36 - Jul 13th, 2019 at 11:37am
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I switched to braid a while ago.  My only complaint is cutting it.  I was using a high end "snipper" but had trouble so am going with a scissors this time.
  
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Reply #37 - Jul 13th, 2019 at 6:39pm
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TomT wrote on Jul 13th, 2019 at 11:37am:
I switched to braid a while ago.  My only complaint is cutting it.  I was using a high end "snipper" but had trouble so am going with a scissors this time.


I have a snipper that cuts it okay but eventually, you get that little fuzzball at the end. I've been using a BIC lighter lately and I'm thinking that is the way to go conditions permitting.
  
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Reply #38 - Jul 14th, 2019 at 12:24am
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im glad that my mono leader comments got some more discussion going.

the reason i use the leader is for a few different purposes.
1. knots. its much easier to tie knots with mono because theres no messing with scissors or lighters
2. intentional breakoffs. i have 40# braid on all my rigs. (sufix 832, 10# mono diameter to match precision trollings data) breaking 40# braid is a chore, so having a place in my line system that i can pop free without destroying my hand or paddle is nice, but its still plenty strong for fish.
3. visibility. i troll and fish in lots of lakes all over wisconsin, and it definitely helps in those places. it not really needed up in the Q, but im proficient with it, so its not worth changing when i can pick up a couple extra fish or two because of it. bite offs are a non issue because with barbless and floating cranks, they float right back up. waiting around a couple extra minutes in a fishy spot gets you a few more casts...

its not about being a 'shock absorber.' thats what the long rods do. properly setting the drag is very important as well. it needs to be looser than you think. and there is no 'hook set' while trolling. the fish striking and the rod bending does all that for you.
  
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Reply #39 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 2:32pm
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Nice report PK.
Funny stuff about the squirrel topic.
Some observations on the line topic.  Just got back from WCPP.  I'm an old mono guy but spooled on some braided stuff to give it a try.  Personally, I didn't like the feel of it. But talk about feel!  I could detect a rock, bite, etc. much, much better than mono.  The jury is still out as to which way I'll go in the future.
Just an aside.....I tried the hold your rod with the paddle troll/jigging technique.  I use a double blade paddle and was using a level wind reel.  I caught lake trout, northern and walleye doing this although we didn't troll too much.  All were caught on a larger hair jig.  Kinda fun as the northern almost pulled to rod out of my grip!
Safe travels.......Mike
  
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