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Narrowing down our route. Sturgeon/Russell area
Feb 4th, 2020 at 3:16pm
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We're taking our first Q trip late summer/early fall. I've been reading reports and such on the B chain. My wife wants to target Sturgeon/Russell area. How's the fishing and any things to do or see while there? Campsites to note?

I know Chatterton Falls isn't far so we'd check that out I'm sure. Others? Daytrip options? Why is Scripture island named as such? I don't plan on going that far down Sturgeon unless there's a good reason. Antoine? Ram?

It looks like if water levels aren't low, the Dieux Rivieres route is the most direct. The B-chain would be if we want something different on the way in/out or water is low on the river.

Fishing or campsite info on Dore or Twin Lakes? Thanks!
  
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Re: Narrowing down our route. Sturgeon/Russell area
Reply #1 - Feb 4th, 2020 at 4:41pm
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  How many days are you going for?

   How hard do you want to work?

   Do you want to move every day OR maybe basecamp in a couple of spots and day-trip?



  
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Re: Narrowing down our route. Sturgeon/Russell area
Reply #2 - Feb 4th, 2020 at 5:51pm
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Cyclones30,

Any chance you're going to CanoeCopia?  I hardly know where to start in response to your questions since that area is so rich with all sorts of pluses.  We could probably fill a few pages with information for you.  It would be easier to chat about it in person.  Also, when it comes to sharing info re: fishing (holes), etc., that info IS more freely shared in person OR via PM's.

There are two resources that I believe would be of considerable use for you, if you are not aware of them already.  So, rather than hand you fish, I'll share how I go about planning a fishing/canoeing trip:
1) Bob Beymer's book, "A Boundary Waters Fishing Guide" (it covers BOTH the BWCA and Quetico & provides detailed lists of fish species present in each lake).
2) The website PaddlePlanner.com .  Membership is cheap and the planning functionality as well as the portage & campsite reviews are pretty darned good.

Here are my short, generic responses to some of your questions:

The fishing can be quite good and there are plenty of 4 & 5 Start Campsites in the area... and PaddlePlanner will show you exactly where they are. 

Things to do?  Well, you're near the Poet Chain if you enjoy waterfalls.  It's fun to walk around Chatterton Falls and to cast a line around the spillways.  Also, on that route, you'll have a great shot at spotting wildlife, particularly moose (Deux Rivieres area) and swans (north end of Sturgeon).

Ram & Antoine (& Oliphaunt) can be good day trips and can offer excellent fishing.  However, if it has been particularly wet, you may find those short portages over to Antoine to be really nasty mud holes.  An issue of the BWJ a few years back featured a pic of a prime vintage mud hole on that very portage, in fact.  Might not be where you'd want to take your wife if it has been raining a lot.

I think when you can answer Solotripper's questions, you'll get more helpful responses. 

Re:Scripture Island, well, I've only heard "rumors" as to the derivation of its name.  As some tell it, back in the dawn of time, an Objibwe warrior who took the tribal name of "Pine Knot", went there to lay down his Commandments regarding the sacred & proper processing of wood for campfires.  As I understand, his commandments started out something like this: "THOU SHALT BURN ONLY RED PINE OF FOUR INCH DIAMETERS CUT PRECISELY INTO TWELVE INCHES LENGTHS." I don't remember the dozen or so commandments in the middle but it finished with: "AND ABOVE ALL, THOU SHALT NOT TOSS IN PINE KNOTS UNTIL THE WORD HATH BEEN GIVEN."  Yeah, he was a real stickler when it came to sacred stuff like that.

That's what I've heard, anyway, but you know how rumors go.  I suppose there's an outside chance that someone on QJ may be able to share a more pedestrian, plausible explanation re: Scripture Island....  Roll Eyes  Good luck with that one!

Later,

Jimbo   Cool

  
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Re: Narrowing down our route. Sturgeon/Russell area
Reply #3 - Feb 4th, 2020 at 6:28pm
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As I understand, his commandments started out something like this: "THOU SHALT BURN ONLY RED PINE OF FOUR INCH DIAMETERS CUT PRECISELY INTO TWELVE INCHES LENGTHS." I don't remember the dozen or so commandments in the middle but it finished with: "AND ABOVE ALL, THOU SHALT NOT TOSS IN PINE KNOTS UNTIL THE WORD HATH BEEN GIVEN."  Yeah, he was a real stickler when it came to sacred stuff like that.


   I believe that falls into one of the verses under A-R
tripper behavior.  Wink Grin Grin

  You gave good advice Jimbo. Those mudholes going into Ram/Antoine are much easier to navigate loaded for a day-trip than camping there.
  
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Re: Narrowing down our route. Sturgeon/Russell area
Reply #4 - Feb 4th, 2020 at 7:13pm
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Scripture Island, Black Robe, Dieux Rivieres... seems obvious to me.

I will add that both the Fern portage and the Chatterton Falls sightseers path were both worthy day trips with my wife. I'd recommend clockwise for a loop.
  
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Re: Narrowing down our route. Sturgeon/Russell area
Reply #5 - Feb 4th, 2020 at 10:28pm
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The trail (mentioned) along the river above Chatterton Falls is on the South Side - that is, to the right as you look at the falls.  It starts in a campsite, as close to the falls as you can get.  It is a nice, worthwhile hike up an old, unused portage.

The actual portage to Chatterton Lake is on the North side of the falls.  Usually good fishing near the falls, and a 1/4 mile or so above the outlet of Russell - there is good current there in shallow water.

In June, it is 50/50 odds that you could paddle all the way up the outlet (the river between Sturgeon and Russell) - if the water is too high, there is a portage on the right side, not really obvious - it goes up a slabby rock and around the rapid at the top.
Otherwise, eddy hopping from side to side works to get you up the river - no matter what, don't get turned sideways to the current.





  
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Re: Narrowing down our route. Sturgeon/Russell area
Reply #6 - Feb 4th, 2020 at 11:29pm
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In June, it is 50/50 odds that you could paddle all the way up the outlet (the river between Sturgeon and Russell) - if the water is too high, there is a portage on the right side, not really obvious - it goes up a slabby rock and around the rapid at the top.
Otherwise, eddy hopping from side to side works to get you up the river - no matter what, don't get turned sideways to the current.


  That is a very important warning M_M_ has given here.
I've been into Russell lake at least 3x. I only made it up paddling 1x and that was just barely.
I tried the other 2x times, made it to the edge of the spill-out only to be pushed back.

If you choose to try and run it I'd advise you to kneel in the canoe and build as much speed as you can, you'll need it.

  With my double paddle, it's easy to stay straight BUT unless you're confident in your paddling skills with a single paddle either alone or in tandem going backward, you're better off using that portage.

My Fubar Trip I chose the portage and by hugging the western wall was able to get up almost even with the spill-out.

You dump there, there is NO place to pull yourself and gear up on shore. High stone banks on both sides. The current and those whirlpools are going to push you and your canoe/gear unless lashed in almost about to Sturgeon Narrows  Shocked Cry Cry

  Quetico Dave told me when he was still outfitting that MORE of his clients dumped there than ANY other spot!

  That deep moving water has a lot of power behind it. Don't be deceived because it's not foaming/boiling like white water is.
  
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Re: Narrowing down our route. Sturgeon/Russell area
Reply #7 - Feb 5th, 2020 at 12:20am
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solotripper wrote on Feb 4th, 2020 at 4:41pm:
  How many days are you going for?

   How hard do you want to work?

   Do you want to move every day OR maybe basecamp in a couple of spots and day-trip?





Should be at least 7 days, probably 7 or 8 if I was to guess. I wish it was 25 but hopefully one of those trips will come some day.

We're willing to work if needed, 3 of us are either side of 30 and my dad is in very good shape.

We've done loops in the BW where we've moved every day but I think fishing will be more of a focus here so maybe more like moving every other day or so.
  
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Re: Narrowing down our route. Sturgeon/Russell area
Reply #8 - Feb 5th, 2020 at 12:27am
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cyclones30 wrote on Feb 5th, 2020 at 12:20am:
solotripper wrote on Feb 4th, 2020 at 4:41pm:
  How many days are you going for?

   How hard do you want to work?

   Do you want to move every day OR maybe basecamp in a couple of spots and day-trip?





Should be at least 7 days, probably 7 or 8 if I was to guess. I wish it was 25 but hopefully one of those trips will come some day.

We're willing to work if needed, 3 of us are either side of 30 and my dad is in very good shape.

We've done loops in the BW where we've moved every day but I think fishing will be more of a focus here so maybe more like moving every other day or so.


  I thought it was just you and your wife. The workload spread among 4 people in decent shape gives you more options still.

  I'll PM a suggestion for a route that should be easy portage wise, but gives you plenty of time to fish.
  
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Re: Narrowing down our route. Sturgeon/Russell area
Reply #9 - Feb 5th, 2020 at 12:30am
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To answer some of the other questions....we'd love to be at Copia but we're usually prepping the planters and tractors by that time. We went both years we lived in Madison but I'm not sure we've made it back in the last few years.

The current areas definitely always have my attention. I think the most pucker-factor I've had in a canoe was in the narrow spot below the Curtain Falls portage landing. We were just fishing one evening and thought we'd paddle up....we were wrong. I've yet to go over but that was as close as I've felt.

As far as that location specifically...is there just the one portage? I thought I was reading where there was a short one or a long one that was really steep.
  
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