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Reply #10 - Jun 8th, 2022 at 5:33pm
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Yup, I've seen burn areas that after a winter/spring the wildflowers were blooming and the green a greening.

That kid is enjoying the moment and making the best of what there is. I try to channel that every trip but as you get older it's so much harder to do.
  
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Reply #11 - Jun 20th, 2022 at 5:59pm
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BEWARE!!!!!

You need to do a lot of research into the 2021 Fires in Quetico.

The whole middle of the park has been burned.  The "death march" is dead.   Kashapiwi Creek at the Kawnipi outlet is toast; Cutty creek at Eag and Cub is toast - I assume everything south of there is also blackened.  Call the Atikokan office and discuss your proposed route as to its feasibility - they do have a fire map that they showed me.  Imagine a map of Quetico spread out flat and then a can of ink is dumped onto the center of the map and spreads out to cover the middle "half" of the pack and you get the idea.  Maybe you can find a link to the map online ?    I changed my route a couple of times - had planned on going Cutty creek to Cutty/Sark/Trant/AgnesMurdoch - blew that off after I hit Eag.  The ground has been burned so that there is not much holding up the trees, especially those shallow rooted ones on rock - better sharpen your saw too.  And the burned ground is treacherous with holes where roots have burned out and a consistency like grease where its wet.  The Northern half of the park was untouched - better to route thru there.  Not sure about the border lakes.


  
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Reply #12 - Jun 21st, 2022 at 4:11pm
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On the tropic of fire, there is a small island in western Beaverhouse which was burned in 2013.  Approximately, one half of the island was burned.  My wife and I have visited the island over the years since the fire.  In the first year or two the under brush and flowers were coming back.  Some of the larger pines trees appeared damaged, but looked as if they were going to survive.  Last year was a severe drought.  When we saw the island this year, the larger trees which I thought were going to make it had died.  The combination of a fire followed by a drought were too much for the trees.  The island this year looked worse than it did 2 years after the fire.
  
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Reply #13 - Jun 24th, 2022 at 8:25pm
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Mad_Mat wrote on Jun 20th, 2022 at 5:59pm:
BEWARE!!!!!

You need to do a lot of research into the 2021 Fires in Quetico.

The whole middle of the park has been burned.  The "death march" is dead.   Kashapiwi Creek at the Kawnipi outlet is toast; Cutty creek at Eag and Cub is toast - I assume everything south of there is also blackened.  Call the Atikokan office and discuss your proposed route as to its feasibility - they do have a fire map that they showed me.  Imagine a map of Quetico spread out flat and then a can of ink is dumped onto the center of the map and spreads out to cover the middle "half" of the pack and you get the idea.  Maybe you can find a link to the map online ?    I changed my route a couple of times - had planned on going Cutty creek to Cutty/Sark/Trant/AgnesMurdoch - blew that off after I hit Eag.  The ground has been burned so that there is not much holding up the trees, especially those shallow rooted ones on rock - better sharpen your saw too.  And the burned ground is treacherous with holes where roots have burned out and a consistency like grease where its wet.  The Northern half of the park was untouched - better to route thru there.  Not sure about the border lakes.




Yeah, looking at the burn map it looks like that area around Eag and Cub was among the most severely burned areas, along with Alice to Montgomery and Shelley

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I’ve seen the north of the park and it’s easy for me to access. I won’t have too many opportunities to see the south, so I’m set on it this year.

I’ll skirt most of the burn.  From Sturgeon I’ll go down the Maligne and pass through Tanner, which has all burned. Not too keen on that, but there is just a single very short portage there (de Roche Grenovilleus).

Minn and McAree are burned on their east sides. I’ll likely take Crooked eastward and detour into Argo for a look-see (southwest bay is burned, north shore is slightly burned).

Robinson, Tuck, and Sarah are burned on one side only. And McIntyre looks like it got off lightly. So it looks like a passage through there is possible. From Sarah to Side and Kahshahpiwi, or via Irene if it’s not too badly burned there.

From Kahshahpiwi northward, it looks like there is a swath of unburned land that will allow a passage to Keats. The only problem will be the 170m to Heronshaw and the nearby 160m to Metacryst. After that it looks like the 340m to the lake between Meta and Baird is unburned, the 190m to Baird looks iffy, but the 730 to Keats is unburned.

Of course I’ll check with the park staff first. But I wanna also be that Dutch kid.  Cool
  
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Reply #14 - Jun 24th, 2022 at 9:29pm
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"From Kahshahpiwi northward, it looks like there is a swath of unburned land that will allow a passage to Keats. The only problem will be the 170m to Heronshaw and the nearby 160m to Metacryst. After that it looks like the 340m to the lake between Meta and Baird is unburned, the 190m to Baird looks iffy, but the 730 to Keats is unburned."

that was my route in reverse (after Keats and Sark that is) - it should all be passable now unless there is a big windstorm.  Unnamed to Baird, look for the tunnel I cut in that big windrow.  I cut detours around the blowdowns on the other portages.
  
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Reply #15 - Jun 24th, 2022 at 9:41pm
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Mad_Mat wrote on Jun 24th, 2022 at 9:29pm:
Unnamed to Baird, look for the tunnel I cut in that big windrow.  I cut detours around the blowdowns on the other portages.


Outstanding! I’ll keep an eye out for the ‘tunnel’.  You’re my portage hero.  Definitely bringing my bigger saw with me this time.
  
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Reply #16 - Aug 30th, 2022 at 1:42am
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Just wanted to thank everyone for their help. I had a busy trip. I was too tired to go to Argo, and benefited from some tailwinds on Sturgeon and calm waters on Crooked, so in total it was 17 days (2 rest days) instead of 20 that I forecast.

French-Pickerel-Dore-Sturgeon-Maligne River-Minn-McAree-Lac La Croix-Iron-Crooked-Robinson-Tuck-Sarah-unnamed-unnamed-unnamed-Irene-unnamed-unn
amed-Kahshahpiwi-Keefer-Sark-Cairn-K Creek-Shelley-Keats-Chatterton-Russell-Sturgeon-Dore-Pickerel-French.

What are the chances that I would end up meeting Solus! Had a great chat and learned a lot about the park from this generous soul.

I’ll write up a report when I get back home.
  
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Reply #17 - Aug 31st, 2022 at 9:35pm
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Looking forward to your trip report and some pictures Smiley Smiley
  
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Reply #18 - Sep 15th, 2022 at 2:23am
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Glad you had a good trip! That's a lot of ground covered, maybe one day I'll be able to piece together two weeks. Longest so far was 8 nights. Following to hear more and see some pictures

I've always wanted to get to cutty creek and camel lake which looks to have suffered pretty badly as well
  
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