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Sep 26th, 2023 at 11:36am
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I ran into something in the Q I've never experienced before. Martha and I found an unoccupied campsite on an island on Sturgeon just before entering the Maligne River. Some fellow trippers paddled up and told us they were already camped on the island. We couldn't see anything left there of anywhere around. They expected us to leave, no humble please, or offers of alternatives nearby, just leave.

I'll just leave it there, but I'm interested in hearing your responses. I'll fill in in how it went later. No judgment for any responses.
  
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Reply #1 - Sep 26th, 2023 at 1:28pm
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I would have asked them to provide some sort of "evidence" to justify their claim and if they could not produce it I would stay put.
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 26th, 2023 at 1:53pm
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That’s what I thought and replied as such. They then informed me that if I had paddled around the island I would have seen their camp on the other side.
  
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Reply #3 - Sep 26th, 2023 at 2:10pm
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You said you found a unoccupied campsite. They said they were at a campsite on the opposite side of the island. There are many campsites on islands areas that are close to each other, sometimes you can see the other campers. Unless the island was so small you could literally see each other I wouldn't consider moving or ask someone else to move.
   
I camped on a island in Burntside lake that had 2 campers on the other side. I had paddled to that site first, found it was occupied. They offered to share, I said I'd go to the one across the island.

  I hope you didn't leave but since you had another to consider, I understand if you did.



  
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Reply #4 - Sep 26th, 2023 at 3:57pm
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While there are no "designated campsites" in Quetico, I might have checked my map to see what it showed on the island. If it showed 2 sites, there's an argument you might use. If it showed the site on the site of the island you were standing on, there's another argument you might use.  Finally, if your camp was set-up and their camp was not yet set up, there's one more argument.

On the other hand, ST makes a good observation.  You were not alone and had another's well-being to consider.  With all the nut jobs around these days, it's most likely I wouldn't have argued at all & moved on.  Fortunately, there are a lot of campsites down there.

Ignorant folks like that don't deserve much of your time. Better part of valor & safety probably means that I would choose to move on... but he would earn my death stare before I left.  I'm not terribly noble that way when it comes down to it.  I would probably try to make him squirm as I left....

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Reply #5 - Sep 26th, 2023 at 4:46pm
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I know how PJ and Pascannel would have responded . . .  Wink
  
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Reply #6 - Sep 26th, 2023 at 9:51pm
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That is pretty bold of them to ask you to leave.  I can see their point of paddling around to let you know they were camped nearby so that you might choose to camp somewhere else, but I wouldn't have gone that far.  I have had groups camp nearby and it does irk me a bit in Quetico, but I have not asked anyone to leave.  In the BWCA crowds are expected, but I like some solitude in Quetico.
  
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Reply #7 - Sep 27th, 2023 at 6:00am
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When I first replied that I was staying at the unoccupied site the bow guy got upset. His remark that I should have paddled around to check came off like it was on me to do that. He then asked who my outfitter was. I told him I outfit myself. Then told me I was rude. Next he said he wouldn’t be able to sleep not knowing what I might be up to.

I was thinking this guy listened to too much AM talk radio.

I then started making some small talk with the stern guy who seemed to be keeping his cool. After chatting he told me about another site on another island nearby. I said I’d leave my gear where it was, check it out, and then decide if I wanted to move.

We eventually did leave but it was a very bazaar experience.

I chalked it up to just a sign of the times we’re in today. But definitely worth sharing. Part of me thought I should have stayed just to mess with them. But really not worth it. We had some laughs about it though.

The stern guy was saying he would LET us stay if all the other sites were full. I thought what does he think, LET us stay. As if what?

No “thank you” when we left either.
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Reply #8 - Sep 27th, 2023 at 8:05am
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It would appear the bow guy was a Canoe "KAREN"  Wink
He was way out of line. You did the right thing because you had your lady to think about.

Me being a solo paddler, I would have stayed and made SURE he didn't sleep that night.  Angry

  I've never ran into anyone like that. One time I had the lead canoe in a group of 3 land at my campsite while I was on-shore fishing.

They guy gets out and starts to get a pack out of the canoe?  I asked what he was doing. He said it was a big site, plenty of room for everyone. I said there was another big site down the lake and his group could camp there because I didn't want to share.

  He got mad but I gave him the "look" he knew what that meant. Next day another canoe from his group comes by and tells me they guy was out of line and has been a PITA the whole trip Wink Grin

   You need one of these JJS, repels all kinds of pests  Huh Grin Grin

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