My favorite box of .45 colt.  They're a bit pricey.  Love the pic solo.  There's a load of good Wayne stuff on the web.  I don't know much about his personal life,  but I absolutly love the characters he played out.  That's whats wrong with todays culture (IMO)....attitude like his is often needed.

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The man is dead. Let his memory rest in peace. He did some (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) before my time until (cough) the anti smoking ones I remember (cough cough). We had a party line then so I'll assume touch-tone hell was just a twinkle.... ...draped in a flag ... arrgh.

Thanks for the way OT vent. Carry on ...  

Guy's like him don't need no stinking " Man Card"
Seriously, mid 70's and still riding saddle in hostile conditions!
They don't make them like that anymore  

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Last summer, California was burnin,.......we headed out to North Cal. for our assignment to the Alpine Alps wilderness in the Shasta Trinity National Forest. As aircraft was priority to structure protection, and  smoked in wilderness was low on the resource protection list ,traditional methods were used.

In the attached photo, the lead mule skinner was in his mid 70's and the last thing he did before mounting up was to check the chambers and strap his iron on.....the "Duke" had nothing up on this Honcho,...the young buck-a-roo  riding drag was 50 years his junior and followed his lead......yes, I have  faith in the younger generation

I for one can see who has the wisdom of fighting fire for many years I also clearly understand that you can keep some of the people happy some of the time but it is a feat to keep all the people happy all of the time....and if a person wants to be unhappy then they are and that's it...That's enough of this now ! and a BON VOYAGE to ALL

bumabu wrote on Jun 4^th, 2009 at 11:29am:


larry_brandes: I've highlited in yellow the Bums post.  If there is no concern or issue of danger, what was the main complaint/issue by Bum?  To my knowlege the USFS does not fly and land float planes into wilderness areas unless there is an emergency....where is Bums emergency :question If the USFS does fly and land with in the airspace restriction zone with no emergency, then the agency has to answer to someone WHY it was done :exclamation. The USFS follows mostly the same rules as everyone else. How many
other campers for miles around would be impacted by noisey aircraft landing , then taxi[ing]and lifting off again? Would they be "FRIGHTENED" as easily as the BUM?, by something they don't understand?
In the red I've highlited a second of the BUMS issue with forest fire.....a very respectable issue to be concerned with. I for one have spent a lifetime dealing with the dangers and issues resulting from a careless campers fire, or a lightning strike that is allowed to burn, or a management ignited fire that goes out of prescription. I am somewhat familiar with the task of "sizing up" a fire and the process of "putting it to bed" Please don't think I'm jumping on the BUMS case, but rather . offering some helpful information so that the BUM may too be able to travel the wilderness in a realistic frame of mind. Did you know that in "low" fire danger conditions that the USFS fire crews paddle themselves and all required gear to a wilderness fire? or that even in higher fire danger conditions, once the fire is declared controlled by the Incident Commander (fire boss) and the "emergency" is over, all gear must be removed by primitive means such as pack, paddle and portage :question This can be quite a monumental task at times.

Aircraft flight into remote settings and landing in unimproved areas present risk to those in the aircraft and those near the landing zones. Risk management policies include some of the following guidelines to prevent death and destruction;
#1...is this flight necessary ..(no emergency ?)
#2...who is in charge..(BUM, or the agency?)
#3 should you stop the flight due to change in conditions?....(weather)
#4 Is there a better way to do it?  .....(paddle)
#5 Can you justify your actions....(ummm, probely not)
#6 Do you have an escape route...
#7 are there any rules being broken?...(no, not likely, unless you   consider flying into a restricted area with no good reason )
#8 Are communications getting tense?
#9 Are you deviating from the assigned operation or flight?

to me,looks like the agent in charge made calls based on the best info provided.

larrey_brandes: I would like to add very much more, but I think the sour grapes that makes your whine so sweetly enjoyable to my palet may impare both our abillites to communicate, other than on a level that would give pleasure only to me......other than that, did you ever consider that the Bum may have only heard a grouse "drumming"  :question

Well, hope you enjoy the journey......I know I do


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I think your missing something?
He reported an incident, in his opinion, rules were violated.
As in any situation like this, it becomes his word against theirs.
I was sympathetic at first, giving him the benefit of the doubt.
If it would of been me, I would of gotten some more evidence too bolster my case. He made my suggestions a macho joke, that was not my intent. I never suggested he confront them in a hostile manner.
But he could of paddled by, maybe said hello, or just observed how many were camped or if they had canoes with Outfitter Logo's.
The FS didn't find merit in his case, and others had different interpretations of what he purportedly saw and heard.
His fire pic was hardly conclusive, the fire ban was low at that time, and one pic of a flaring campfire hardly proves your case.
His story went off the tracks when he started the name calling and his post on another site about raising HAVOC here, proved he was more interested in being "right" than hearing any other possible explanations for what took place.
 I think were very helpful too fellow canoeist's, but when you post anything on-line as an absolute, you better be prepared for challenges too your view.  I would say that taking him at his word and joining HIS rant, without question is being a brainwashed fool, not offering explanations or different views of the situation.

I don't get this, Bum had a bad experience with reckless behavior and so many couldn't wait ti jump on him.  They did not have to put up with the situation that he did.  On the other site I saw a post where a fellow was asking about taking a very quiet Martin packpacker guitar and if by rare chance anyone would hear it would it be a problem.  Once again so many could not wait to jump all over him, without even ever have had the situation to confront themselves.  My my how important do we all really think our nonthinking opinions are worth.  I used to be nice and helpful to fellow canoeists seems so many of us are narrow thinking brainwashed fools who are just waiting for the chance to berate someone.  This is what our society has become? May God helps us.  Good bye.

  There had too be booze involved, that's the only way they could of THOUGHT you wouldn't notice

solotripper wrote on Jun 6^th, 2009 at 4:26pm:


Solo, You could say that, but only when having free access to someone else's woodpile.  I peared out my window one night at 2:30 am to see my neighbor having a party around an 8' fire.  Guess where they got the wood?  In the morning came first denials and then profuse apologies.

-YB