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Reply #10 - Jul 25th, 2006 at 12:57pm
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Cranberry,  I have used disposable baking pans for a dutch oven.  It was a Cub Scout cooking project and worked o.k.  Basically you need 2 pans, a fairly long threaded bolt, 4 washers, wing nut, and 2 nuts to make a dutch oven.   Assembly from bottom to top is:  Bolt, Washer, Btm pan, Washer, nut, nut washer, top pan, washer, and wing nut. 

I would place the oven on the fire grate, not on the coals.  Then add hot coals to the top.  Controling the heat is the main problem as the thin aluminum heats and cools quickly.  You can't put too many coals on the top!  Rotate the oven frequently to equalize the baking process.  It is also difficult to know when the cake or bread is done since you need to disassemble the oven to check.

This does not work as well as the GSI 10" aluminum dutch oven!

  
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Reply #11 - Jul 25th, 2006 at 1:13pm
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I have not seen the book, but I have had a lot of experience baking deserts in Quetico.  I'm sure this method will work, but it will be time consuming and the results will be marginal.  The problem is that the walls of the outside pot are just too thin and either do not hold the heat or get too hot.  Your cake will be burnt on one side and not done in the middle.  This is the same problem as the disposable aluminum baking pans (see post to Cranberry).  The GSI aluminum ovens solve all the problems.  The pebbles on the bottom is the true answer.

I have also used a bedowin (sp?) oven and this also works.  It is very light weight and funcional.  I bought mine from Indiana Camp supplies but don't know if they are still in business of if it is availabe.
  
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Reply #12 - Jul 26th, 2006 at 3:09am
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Thanks to you all for the ideas.  Armed with some recipe ideas and alternate dutch oven ideas - I am off to the shop to test build a few and then off to Quitico.  Thanks again.
  
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Reply #13 - Jul 26th, 2006 at 5:57pm
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I have also used a bedowin (sp?) oven and this also works.  It is very light weight and funcional.  I bought mine from Indiana Camp supplies but don't know if they are still in business of if it is availabe. [/quote]

Hi, I have a quick question and I'm not picking on your spelling. I would like to clear up the type of oven you have and I'd like to get some additional info on it.  Now my understanding is that what is referred to as a bedouin oven is usully made with rock and partially buried underground, I've had goat from a bedouin oven and it does a fantastic job.  The other oven that I have run across is the bedourie oven used in the Queensland area of Austraila which may be  modification of the typical Aussie billie and that is a multi-use utensil which has a pot, a frying pan and other attachments.  The cooking parts are usually steel (spun?, stamped?) and the frying pan part has a removable handle and can either be used as a cover or can set into the top of the pot.  As an oven its used like a dutch oven with the frying pan set into the top of the pot and then partially buried in the coals and the coals heaped inot the frying pan/top.  Which type do you have and if you are happy with the steel pot type how does it compare to the traditional dutch oven.  I would think that the steel assembly might have hot and cold spots while the mass of the cast iron dutch oven would be more consistent in heat distribution.  Perhaps I am just over complicating the whole process. The bedourie is much lighter than a dutch oven and includes multi-use components which would be an advantage: can't even play frisbee with a dutch oven cover.
  
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Reply #14 - Jul 27th, 2006 at 2:09am
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I have and continue to use the bedourie (the second type you mention) oven.  I actually take both the bedourie oven and aluminun dutch oven on our Quetico trips.  You are right that it is multi-functional.  It does not work as well as the cast oven for the reason you mentioned (uneven heat distribution).  However, we often bake with it if the cast aluminum oven is being used as a fish fryer.  Again for best results, place the item you want to bake in a seperate pan and keep some air space between the pan and the bottom of the oven.

Thanks for the help with the spelling and origin of this versitle cooking device.
  
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Reply #15 - Jul 27th, 2006 at 2:36am
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Cranberry,  After thinking about my post for making disposable aluminum ovens, I decided to go look at my old Boy Scout stuff and re-examin the construction.  I was a little off on the details!
Anyway, this is how we made them:  2 square disposable baking pans, 1 round disposable pie pan, 1 bolt (2" long), 2 washers, and 1 nut.  You make the oven top by poking a hole in the center of the pie pan and square baking pan.  Fasten the 2 pans together bottom to bottom with the bolt, washer, pans, washer, and nut.  The round pie pan holds the coals as the lid for your oven.  Place on top of the other square pan to bake.  You can open the top of the oven with a pliers by grabbing the end of the bolt to check what you're baking.  I just got a little confused with my other dutch oven invention.  The dutch oven frozen pizza baker.  But that's another story.
  
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Reply #16 - Oct 26th, 2006 at 4:49pm
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I was looking through some older threads and found this one. I have used an aluminum DO before and the only difference I have found is you have to keep turning it a 1/4 turn every few minutes to keep from getting hot spots. The lid also. I found a backpacking oven on a backpacking web site. I built it and it works great. It is made out of aluminum roof flashing, some 3/16 threaded rod and 2 pie pans. everything fits in side the flashing and you put 2 spray paint can lids on each end to transport it. Supertroll who designed it used it to cook a roast in. I have not done that but have made blueberry muffins in it by putting a pan inside and using those aluminum muffin cups. I also got a 9" flat TI plate and made a personal size pizza in it. It was real simple to make. The only problem was trying to find the thermometer that goes to 500 degrees. I live in a small town with not to many shopping options. I did find it on the web. He uses 2 thermometers, one in the roast to check the meat temp and another in the top to regulate the oven temp. These are the pictures he sent me on it. (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
PS. Don't try it first on your home stove if you have smoke detectors. The coating burns off the flashing and makes a lot of smoke and stink. Do your first heating outside on the grill or camp stove to burn off the coating. Your wife will like you better.
  
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Reply #17 - Oct 28th, 2006 at 3:51am
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That is one fantastic device.  I love it!  After everyone's suggestions - here is what I ended up doing and it worked great.  My son seamsealer and myself went to the heart of Quetico this summer and I got three alumium foil cake pans (throw away type) and took them along.  I bought a bunch of cake mixes and corn bread mixes from Cub Food and away we went.  I got the a lot of hot coals, set one foil tin on the ground, put some 1 inch diameter rocks in the bottom, set the other pan inside that one.  I mixed the cornbread mix and poured it in the pan.  Then I put the third pan on top - turned upside down of course .  and then roled the edges all together.  I place the contraption in the coals, and scooped coals on top - enlcosing the whole thing.  Let it bake, pulled it out, and we had great corn bread, mixed up some powdered Jimmy Dean gravy, and WHAT A MEAL.  This whole rig weight a couple of ounces, and we used it 2 or 3 times before we stopped and trucked it out with us as scrap.  Worked great.  Thanks to everyone for the ideas that culminated in this rig.
  
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Reply #18 - Dec 24th, 2006 at 1:52pm
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We don't pack light and always bring a regular aluminum Dutch Oven and I'm ashamed to say we also pack in charcoal briquettes.  We decided that you need the charcoal for uniform heat sourced.  The recipe for baking in our 9" square dutch oven is 9 coals under and 12 coals on top for an even 375 degrees.  So if you see us on portages in canoe country we are the ones with the 300 pound packs.  But the advantage is we have cakes and pastry at ever meal.  German Chocolate Cake, brownies, even fresh baked bread.  We work hard and in cold  weather and I'm sure we burn thousands of calories a day and and I've gone on trips and actually gained weigh.
  
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