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Reply #30 - Apr 14th, 2010 at 2:19am
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If we are not careful this could become the replay of the debate over pfds.  It think it would be helpful if we stayed with facts and opinions and didn't insult anyone because there is a difference of opinion.
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Reply #31 - Apr 14th, 2010 at 2:48am
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Okay, I'm fairly new around here - this site. I enjoy paddling is a canoe. I do not need to get into my background in the outdoors. I do not need to list my degrees, certifications, instructing and teaching experience, blah, blah..There is no need to prove this, etc and now I am a newer parent and will be enjoying paddling in a canoe with my son this spring and summer.

I look to this site b/c its really valuable (enough to donate? yeah, maybe someday for this cheap guy) and numerous folks here have provided insight and experience into Q to help my trip planning and again the list can go on.

Some folks here, no need to waste time, seem to waste others time and bring nothing of importance or relevant to this forum. I could now go into how my son will be banging his head against the gunwale and seat to get back to his 'wonderful' crib and how I will paddle in the full blown sun for hours on end as if there is no one that might be affected by the sun's rays. Which is why I purchased a space suit, equipped with its own bowel movement catcher  - come on! I am now waste your time too!?

I do appreciate all parents and paddlers that gave me feedback with my trip planning thus far.
As mentioned, safety, yes very important, proper planning can help mitigate. But not going at all b/c of a infant?!? We could go into the risks in car camping with infants to waste more time..But comments around NOT bringing infants, etc into Q should be seriously dealt with (?) and/or does this site actually condone these types of commentary?

I started this and got great info and its interesting to see the extreme or wide open opinions folks have out there. I guess I asked for it? There's facts and opinions and there's being other comments all together..
Any how,
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Reply #32 - Apr 14th, 2010 at 3:15am
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Seymour

I wish U and yours all the best. Started my little one at two in the back country, and car camping before that. We are always outside. Never a sun burn. No DEET, just a bug shirt that was rolled that he grew into. The PFD is completely doable. The things that minime has seen and done in the BW, well most never get the pleasure. Never dumped the canoe or got busted up on a rail. But many trips were four over portages as he was always on the shoulders barring the canoe carry. You know those memories will be my fondest, and his too. The pictures and stories from school and our free time will attest to that. Maybe minime is the exception, MAYBE, 5 hours in a portable ice shack without moving at three..."we gotta catch the big one Daddy". Many a day duffin' on a pack or a camp pad. Man I wish I could have grown up takin' naps on the water in the backcountry.  One of the trick that we did learn was to snack especially before the portages...made for good spirits...and kept the little doggie and big doggie goin'. Minime and I have our little verse to past the time, "we work in all kinds of weather" and we are quieter and PU better than most-our wildlife sightings and "trash kiddy" shows it.  How many can say they caught their first BW laker at 8. Or did the frost in a day at 8. Now  I have carried a Sat phone on the remote loops and he was in the know. And he shined on his own @ nine during an evac. that we got in on last year. I say kudos to you, Seymour, just remember to expect the unexpected and enjoy the good times; the woods are a great classroom brimming with opportunity.

Everyone just chil-lax Seymour is smarter than most -questions are being asked Wink

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Re: canoeing with young children
Reply #33 - Apr 15th, 2010 at 1:41am
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Seymour wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 2:48am:
Okay, I'm fairly new around here - this site. I enjoy paddling is a canoe. I do not need to get into my background in the outdoors. I do not need to list my degrees, certifications, instructing and teaching experience, blah, blah..There is no need to prove this, etc and now I am a newer parent and will be enjoying paddling in a canoe with my son this spring and summer.

I look to this site b/c its really valuable (enough to donate? yeah, maybe someday for this cheap guy) and numerous folks here have provided insight and experience into Q to help my trip planning and again the list can go on.

Some folks here, no need to waste time, seem to waste others time and bring nothing of importance or relevant to this forum. I could now go into how my son will be banging his head against the gunwale and seat to get back to his 'wonderful' crib and how I will paddle in the full blown sun for hours on end as if there is no one that might be affected by the sun's rays. Which is why I purchased a space suit, equipped with its own bowel movement catcher  - come on! I am now waste your time too!?

I do appreciate all parents and paddlers that gave me feedback with my trip planning thus far.
As mentioned, safety, yes very important, proper planning can help mitigate. But not going at all b/c of a infant?!? We could go into the risks in car camping with infants to waste more time..But comments around NOT bringing infants, etc into Q should be seriously dealt with (?) and/or does this site actually condone these types of commentary?

I started this and got great info and its interesting to see the extreme or wide open opinions folks have out there. I guess I asked for it? There's facts and opinions and there's being other comments all together..
Any how,
Seymour  





Seymour,

I have no doubt that with your vast months of child-rearing experience, that you know all you need to know. One of the things you will find at QJ is that when you seek advice, you will get it, perhaps even advice/opinions you didn't ask for. I have no doubt that all of us here have good intentions. I think it is safe to say that many of us have expressed concern for the well-being of your infant son. That doesn't mean we think you are not a good parent, but we know that often times things don't work out as well as we dream they will. Since you feel no need to disclose much about yourself, an obvious assumption is that readers will make a wide range of assumptions about you. Nothing inherently good or bad about that, its just how most are wired. So, I hope things work out as well as you hope...and that you will cut us a little slack, and I hope we will cut you a little slack as well. It's your call... Cool
  
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Re: canoeing with young children
Reply #34 - Apr 15th, 2010 at 6:29am
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Seymour wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 2:48am:
... comments around NOT bringing infants, etc into Q should be seriously dealt with (?) and/or does this site actually condone these types of commentary?

Yes it does. This isn't the chamber of commerce. A wide range of advice (and opinions) is condoned, welcomed and explicitly encouraged. We were suckered with a subject entitled "canoeing with young children" and asked for route advice. Take what fits and leave what offends you for someone else to ponder. They might see it differently.

We all need to keep in mind that Google will be bringing parents of all backgrounds to this thread long after we've all forgotten it. I wonder if they will also notice threads where other people ask about taking their dog mention that they practice with them on local lakes. More unnecessary, value added, food for thought.
  
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Reply #35 - Apr 15th, 2010 at 6:43am
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Valid points to heed, audience. Wink
  
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Reply #36 - Apr 15th, 2010 at 3:23pm
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db wrote on Apr 15th, 2010 at 6:29am:
Seymour wrote on Apr 14th, 2010 at 2:48am:
... comments around NOT bringing infants, etc into Q should be seriously dealt with (?) and/or does this site actually condone these types of commentary?

Yes it does. This isn't the chamber of commerce. A wide range of advice (and opinions) is condoned, welcomed and explicitly encouraged. We were suckered with a subject entitled "canoeing with young children" and asked for route advice. Take what fits and leave what offends you for someone else to ponder. They might see it differently.

We all need to keep in mind that Google will be bringing parents of all backgrounds to this thread long after we've all forgotten it. I wonder if they will also notice threads where other people ask about taking their dog mention that they practice with them on local lakes. More unnecessary, value added, food for thought.


 I for one am glad that the QJ commentary's are NOT run thru a PC filter, at least the one's that fit in a site that is open to all age groups.

 Anyone who has been here awhile knows that whether asking for advice or giving "expert" opinion, your going to get opinions that may or may not be what you want too hear Huh

OS has it right, the vast majority of responses will be with good intentions, although many will not be sugar coated.

Were all adults here, remember to "criticize" the idea, not the person.
Certain subjects seem to bring out the most emotion. I know from our PFD debate, that when it comes to personal choices, most people want it to be theirs, not the authorities or other paddlers.

Kids and peoples dogs are at the top of the emotion list. Everyone who has kids or paddles with dogs thinks ( right or wrong) that THEIR kid/pet can do little or no wrong, and that they are the one's who should decide what constitutes acceptable behavior. But you need to consider others who may or may not see things the same way.

I wouldn't change that for anything! I'd rather suffer thru a episode of bad behavior by an occasional adult/kid/dog, than see the bonds that develop between parents/kids and pets be lost to future generations.

Part of getting "opinions" is the chance to hear the "other" side. Being a solo paddler and childless, MY idea of what may or may not be good behavior probably might be different than some parents.

It's ALL about being considerate of others. Simple idea , that unfortunately in our it's ALL about ME society is becoming a dying concept IMHO










  
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Re: canoeing with young children
Reply #37 - Apr 17th, 2010 at 3:29am
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Superior summation Sir ST.
  
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Reply #38 - Apr 19th, 2010 at 12:52am
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All is well guys! I'm starting to figure things out.
Peace,
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Re: canoeing with young children
Reply #39 - Apr 24th, 2010 at 3:22am
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One comment is "safety first"  Particularly keep in mind the time of year and water temperatures in case you ever dumped your canoe.

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