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Reply #40 - Nov 20th, 2010 at 1:25pm
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The OP is a good story of survival. As someone already mentioned, accepting his situation and staying focused on doing what's necessary saved his life. He didn't panic and take off running, he stayed put and addressed his needs. And carrying a ditch kit on his person definitely helped.

I recently started reading "Lost in the Wild" by Cary Griffith, and I ordered extra copies to give to some friends. I've been too busy with work to fulfill my solo trip plans (2 years in a row now, next year I will quit my job if I have to), but I have started "grooming" some old friends for tripping in the future. We spent some time this fall bow hunting deer, and also hunting grouse and small game in the SNF, and both are committed to a spring fishing trip. Next summer, I hope to have them in canoes, and hopefully next fall we can relocate our hunting camp to somewhere deep in the BW. We did a lot of mild bushwhacking without incident, but in the back of my mind I was always thinking about what could happen.

This thread also got me thinking. I am also going to put together "ditch kits" for them, something they can carry on their person when we're out hunting or hiking and get them through a couple of days should they become separated from the group. I like the small hip packs someone mentioned, as it could be clipped to a belt and wouldn't feel like an extra burden to carry. But would it hold everything? Some ideas for useful supplies, or at least what I would want / want them to have:


-Compass (even if they have one already)
-FireSteel and a Bic
-Some kind of tinder (I like the vaseline + cotton)
-Space blankets, maybe 2 or 3 (spares or can use for shelter)
-Whistle
-Snare Wire
-Water purification tablets and/or filter straw in case of no container
-Paracord if space allows
-Clif bars or similar
-Some bandages and basic first aid supplies
-Extra batteries for the 2-ways we left in the truck and didn't carry
-Basic tools to clear and clean a .22 thats been dropped in mud
-Topo map of the hunting area if possible
-Pen and small notepad for making patrol maps
-Paracord Pedomoter (thanks to my retired Army friend for the idea)
-Large plastic garbage bags or small-packing poncho


I feel that with the above, if that's all I had, I could last long enough to be rescued or find my way to safety. I carry a backpack when I'm out hunting or canoeing solo, that contains most of the above plus my lightweight sleeping bag and a comprehensive first aid kit, because I have room. Even if I have a large pack for gear, I always find it nice to have a day pack for fishing or side trips. It's tricky thinking about creating a survival kit to fit in a small space, so I'm sure this will be an ongoing process.

Since we were hunting, all of us had sheath knives and multi-tools, which include small saw blades. There were a few posters looking for bigger knives, so here's my recommendation: I really like my SOG Seal Pup because it's a solid knife, perfectly sized, and the nylon sheath has a pocket that holds a firesteel or whatver else. I've gone through a lot of knives, and this is the best one I've ever owned.
  
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Reply #41 - Nov 22nd, 2010 at 5:31pm
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All good things.
I'd consider this upgrade, IF you could fit it in ?
Not as cheap as the foil space blankets, but way more versatile.
Keep a few foil blankets for windbreak/rain tarps. With foil side toward fire, the reflective heat and the space bag I'm suggesting, you would be good to go in most conditions Wink  It's made by Adventure Medical.


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Reply #42 - Nov 22nd, 2010 at 8:37pm
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Akula wrote on Nov 20th, 2010 at 1:25pm:
I really like my SOG Seal Pup because it's a solid knife, perfectly sized, and the nylon sheath has a pocket that holds a firesteel or whatver else. I've gone through a lot of knives, and this is the best one I've ever owned.


Thanks Akula for taking the time. I've never owned a "real" knife and had been thinking about posting a query. I've got a dandy folding filet knife and a pocket knife but nothing like this. I read lots of reviews and all hold it in high esteem. Everyone seems to like the nylon sheathe as opposed to the kydex.
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Reply #43 - Nov 23rd, 2010 at 10:49am
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ST- I have been thinking about those, because I've tried to use those space blankets before, and they leave a lot to be desired. But they can also be used to help waterproof a hasty shelter, among other improvised uses - however packing two or three space blankets might take up the same volume as that emergency bivvy, so this will require some further thought and testing on my part.


masterangler - Be wary when ordering the SOG from retailers, as they often don't offer a choice between the kydex and nylon sheath. I ordered my nylon sheath after the fact - the kydex is kind of neat but its wider (so I couldn't secure it to my pack strap comfortably), and I wanted the pocket to hold a firesteel and a whetstone. My hunting buddy got the Field Pup, and he really likes it. It's just as solid, but a little smaller, and doesn't have the half-serrated blade, which is a feature I enjoy.
  
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Reply #44 - Nov 23rd, 2010 at 1:17pm
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Akula

In an older discussion a couple years ago, I prevailed and convinced everyone that the #1 survival item (after your noggin), is a firearm.  Sounds like they'll have one.  Add it to your list.

In every survival story I've yet read, the book ends by chpt. 3 if a firearm would have been brought along.  Number one use would be to fire "location shots".  Number two use would be in attempting to put a rabbit in your belly.  Last use would be in ending your misery...try do that with your Buck knife!

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Akula,

if a survival kit gets too big to bother carrying, you won't -- I'd go with a smaller mylar bag like the one above;  I have an "emergency poncho" I picked up up somewhere that's a bit longer and wider than a deck of cards but only half as thick. Just google for "emergency poncho" and you'll find lots of options.  crawling into the bag with the poncho worn over the top of that should offer waterproof and warmth.  I'd back the firesteel and bic up with at least a book of matches, or a small box of strike anywhere waterproof matches (in ziplock bags, doubled).  Butane doesn't work too well in really cold temps.  

The fanny pack I use for hunting is an old convertable model, with a zippered top that opens up into a day pack - when zippered closed which is how I carry it 99% of the time, there is just enough room in that folded up top half for me to carry my "emergency kit" -  that poncho, a knife sharpener (which I use everytime I get an elk), a bottle of iodine tablets (which I also use from time to time) , a mini first aid kit (few bandaids and aspirin mostly), a small hank of thin nylon cord -  100' I think - might be more, but can't remember, a small spare knife like a Gerber LST, a spare compass (there have been times when I was certain that my compass was wrong - had to be! - digging out that second companss to confirm direction can be really important in those instances - of course compass #1 was correct, but now I knew it for fact), a spare flashlight that's about the size of a 12 Ga shell - I have used that that spare light several times, when I've had the bulb on my Mini-mag burn out on the way in - I can replace the batteries in the dark, but no way could I replace the bulb without another light to see by; a small matchbox wrapped in a couple of layers of ziplocks (maybe 2 - don't remember) a spare pen - mostly to fill out the tag if my other pen doesn't work, and a topo map of my main hunitng area - that's my tinder if I need it.  That's form memery, can't remember what else may be in there, but that's enough for me to survive.  I can't fit a space blanket or bag in there, not much else.  The volume availbale is maybe 12" x 5" by 1" thick and in ther is the folded up top of hte daypack as well, so its a tight fir.

I've kind of been playing devil's advocate on the altoids tin thread, so I'll keep wearing that hat.  Whatcha gonna do with that snare wire ?  How many people have you ever heard of who actually succsessfully snared something  (I did see a Griz get snared once on a TV show) ?  again, to be useful, you'd need soft wire that could be bend/broken into pieces, and enough wire to set maybe half a dozen or dozen snares in different locations if you actually hoped to snare a rabbit.  You'd be better off with the nylon cord  - you could sit by a squirrel midden or fav log of the squirrel and maybe with a long leash, be able to snare a red squirrel - odds for that are a whole lot better than thinking you'dd get a rabbit.  I've been thinking that a useful item, for a snare, would be a long 30# test leader - wire or mono - would be simple to clip back on itself to make a loop, and that could be attached to your length of nylon line.

I favor a lot of smaller diameter line over a bit of para cord - I don't carry a space blanket, so my plan is to use that line for shelter building - and I want enough to do that - to lash brush or small trees together, or to lash a cross pole to two trees for a leanto.

I googled paracord pedometer - an abacus on string ?  I'd say forget that and use the space for another pack of matches, or more line.
  
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Re: Interesting read of survival
Reply #46 - Nov 23rd, 2010 at 4:41pm
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wally wrote on Nov 23rd, 2010 at 1:17pm:
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... Number one use would be to fire "location shots".

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I was lost while hunting one time and fired 3 location shots. No use! Tried it again. Still no luck. Eventually I found my way home after running out of arrows.  Grin
  
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Reply #47 - Nov 23rd, 2010 at 4:47pm
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jimmar wrote on Nov 23rd, 2010 at 4:41pm:
wally wrote on Nov 23rd, 2010 at 1:17pm:
Akula

... Number one use would be to fire "location shots".

happy trails


I was lost while hunting one time and fired 3 location shots. No use! Tried it again. Still no luck. Eventually I found my way home after running out of arrows.  Grin

ROFLMAO!   Grin

Needed a hanky to wipe the tears from my eyes!! Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #48 - Nov 23rd, 2010 at 5:38pm
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Mad_Mat wrote on Nov 23rd, 2010 at 2:05pm:
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I actually bought my replacement from (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) (priced between the two above, and they threw in a free caribiner -- 3" size).  I also bought a heavier mylar tube tent from this site ... bulkier than the sleeping bag, but it also includes nylon cord to help hang it.

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Reply #49 - Nov 23rd, 2010 at 10:31pm
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My late Father was a avid old school deer hunter.
He and his buddies would set-up a army surplus tent and stay in the woods for a week at a time.

He spent more than one night in the woods, trailing a wounded deer.
They all wore the full wool coats and bibs. Dad always carried a few tins of sardines and kitchen matches in a old pill bottle.

He also carried 2 big garbage bags in his pocket. If he had to spend night in woods, he would find a old stump and set in on fire. Then he would step into one bag and tie it off each side of his waist.
The other bag he would cut a slit for his head and arms. He stayed warm and dry and eventually would come back dragging that big buck Wink

The new woven type lawn and leaf bags would be excellent for a make-shift bivy.

  
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