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Re: White gas choices!
Reply #10 - Mar 29th, 2011 at 4:12pm
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Dad worked for Esso, 40 years. 

All gas is not equal and one does not require a high performance rig to be affected by cheap gas. 
One does not have to always use the expensive stuff, but an occasional run through of the expensive stuff will have an effect.

To further the analogy, I don't drive a Labourghini.  I drive a 10 year old Pontiac.  It failed a required emissions test.  I bought a mickey of engine cleaner (Guanteed Pass) and followed the instructions.  Passed the emissions test.

Gas degrades over time.  Last year's cheap fuel may cause more gunk to build up than a new can of cheap fuel.


The real answer here is to get a Trangia and avoid the whole issue completely.   Wink
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 30th, 2011 at 1:43am
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As a chemical engineer with 35 years experience in the oil & gas business (including some refinery design), I am quite comfortable with my knowledge of gasoline chemistry.

All liquid fuels can get contaminated, with dirt, condensation, whatever. Camp stove fuel filters are light and cheap, and are a good idea regardless of which fuel you choose.

Still, the fuel requirements of a camp stove are not even close to those of an internal combustion engine, even one in a brand new 10-year old Pontiac. Camp stove fuel gets squeezed through a little hole (an easily cleanable hole) and burns at atmospheric conditions. That's all there is to it. There is no rocket science involved, no fancy fuel specs to meet, just the opportunity for someone to get you to part with your dollars faster than you would otherwise. (Sort of like selling tap water in plastic bottles - some people will pay for it).

A while ago, db suggested two litres (or so) would be enough for a two week trip. If you take two trips a year, and save $5 per quart by buying regular unleaded, then you can buy a new stove every five years with the savings. But of course your mileage may vary.
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 30th, 2011 at 2:46am
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Thanks Joe,
So I can continue to use unleaded in my stove as I have done for 10 years.  Using about 4 quarts per year.  Oh, my stove is a 35 years old coleman two burner.  Kind of heavy and bulky, but works great.  We generally base camp so weight is less of an issue.  Any gas I don't use on a trip, I put in my van's tank.  Never a problem with old fuel.
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Reply #13 - Mar 30th, 2011 at 3:59am
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Correct me if I missed that someone might have mention the differences between regular unleaded gas and white gas. The biggest difference becomes apparent in really cold weather I'm talking about -0 and below, regular gas will tend to gels up more at these extreme temps then white gas.  I learned this the hard way while winter camping a few years back, coleman stove wouldn't light, chain saw wouldn't start bought fuel and chain saw had to be pre-warmed up in order to operate correctly. Don't ask me why I like camping out in that extreme low temps (record low of -37), fire starters won't even burn at that temp. I will only use white gas in my coleman stove and a little in the chain saw during winter camping trips.

Happy camping Smiley

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Reply #14 - Mar 30th, 2011 at 6:22am
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In the cozies thread, Preacher linked to Zen Stoves. Here's a page from the site on stove fuels if it helps. (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)

On my last trip I was using three a (possibly four) year old gallon of Coleman. Maybe my stove needs some attention but I had to pump it a lot during cooking. I still have two pints left so I'm kinda hoping it was the stove.

For those who burn unleaded. Does it smell much?
  
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Reply #15 - Mar 30th, 2011 at 12:14pm
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db wrote on Mar 30th, 2011 at 6:22am:
For those who burn unleaded. Does it smell much?



It depends on what your cooking.
  
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Reply #16 - Mar 30th, 2011 at 12:30pm
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"Coleman fuel has an octane rating of 50 to 55 and none of the additives found in modern gasoline.[2] It has a lower molecular weight than gasoline, kerosene and diesel fuel and cannot be used as a substitute for any of those fuels in modern engines.[2]

The flammability of Coleman Fuel is similar to gasoline; however, it should never be used in modern era gasoline engines. Its high heat of combustion and lack of octane boosting additives like tetra-ethyl lead will destroy engine valves, and its low octane rating would produce knocking.[2]"

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(see #2 for Coleman's opinion of hte different fuels)


depending on where you live, you likely get a slightly different blend of gas, and slightly different from each company - i.e. shell vs mobil vs conoco      ---   Here in Colorado, they use alchohol or MTBE for "winter" blends to keep the air cleaner - not sure if MTBE fumes would be particularly good for you, but I'd guess not (most stations use an alchohol mix)  - I would guess that California gas would be different yet with thier more stringent air quality requirements, but maybe not

I have one dual fuel Coleman stove, but I've never run gas station gas in it, always using Coleman Fuel instead, on the assumption that it is "cleaner"

I guess you could think that is just a marketing ploy if you like, or not
  
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Re: White gas choices!
Reply #17 - Mar 30th, 2011 at 2:19pm
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I had some trouble in cold weather with a White Gas stove. My local outfitter told me there's a bit of paraffin blended into the gas as a stabilizer. Said Mountainers regularly refrigerate their gas and strain out the paraffin with a coffee filter before cold weather camping trips.
Also said I could put my fuel bottle in my sleeping bag with me to keep it warm.

I haven't tried either yet. 2nd hand knowledge to me, but I thought interesting.
  
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Reply #18 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 4:16am
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Windsailor:

Before I became a paper pusher/talker, I used to be a logger in northern Wisconsin.  While starting a chainsaw in the zero to 20 below range could take more time, once the saw was running I never heard of anyone having trouble with the gas, provided you didn't have water or some other impurity in the gas.  Plus cold weather may decrease your gas mileage, but again I never heard of anyone having trouble driving their motor vehicle in the below zero range.

I have no experience with Coleman fuel in cold weather.
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Reply #19 - Apr 1st, 2011 at 1:56am
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You make a lot of sence Mr W.
I always buy fresh gas before I go into the woods and it still won't start if its really cold -10 or lower; mined you M&M I only used a small portion of white gas along with mostly gas and oil mix, didn't seem to cause any long term damage though.

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