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MT's tip of the month /April 2011
Mar 28th, 2011 at 12:44pm
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Spoons for walleye and bass

Spoons are an underutilized option in canoe country IMO. That's somewhat unfortunate considering their effectiveness especially in northern latitudes. Spoons can work anytime but I am partial to using them in spring and fall. On still waters I am much more likely to reach for a spoon than a spinner if I want something with flash (on moving water I like spinners but I digress).

When most folk think of spoons they think pike and that's to bad because spoons are very effective on all gamefish in canoe country. The trick is in the presentation. Spoons are generally quite persuasive in getting pike to strike however and thus most spoon throwers wouldn't dream of using one without some wire lest they be deprived of their piece of prized metal in short order. Here is where the spoon gets short circuited on being able to strut its stuff. Add the snap, the shiny steel leader and clunky swivel and it's no wonder that walleyes and smallmouths in the 4 and 5 lb class won't eat them. Hello?

How about this as a walleye and smallmouth catcher instead. Pick up a 2" blue and silver little cleo or the venerable "red eye" and plan on using them in the spring with light line. 6lb or a low diameter 8lb line will be fine. Make sure the line is fresh and you are fully capable of tying a good knot. Avoid any hi-vis line like the plague. Have a nice full spool so you can make a long cast.

We still have the pike issue to resolve and here is how we do it. Pick up some du bro single strand coffee colored wire in 29 thousandths diameter. It is very thin and very sneaky. (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
Cut a piece about 10 inches long. Thread one end through but then put the same end through again and slowly snug until you have formed a circle of wire on the lure. This allows the spoon plenty of freedom to do its thing. The loop should be about the size of the split ring you removed Wink. Then you must finish the tie with a haywire twist. The instructions are on the back of the wire package and I suspect at least 1/2 dozen Utube vids. You must be careful when cutting the wire and leaving a tag end as it will cut you through the course of your fishing day if your not careful. I prefer to make a "paddle" type handle with the tag end and spin the extra wire off so it is perfectly flush with no chance of it sticking you.

That takes care of the lure end of our bite off preventer. Now onward to the swivel. You must use a swivel and it must be of the ball bearing variety. Remember you will be tying light line to it so it should be a little on the smaller side. If you have trouble getting your knot to stick try a tie fast gryp knot which excels in tying mono to something of somewhat larger diameter than the lines diameter (something most knots do poorly). It matters little if the swivel is shiny or black. In either instance it will appear as if your spoon is a small fish chasing its own meal......an excellent triggering mechanism IMO. Of course you secure the wire with the same haywire twist omitting the circle you made to help in the spoons action. I like the wire leader a bit on the short side for this say in the 5" class.

Now on to the hooks. Long casts with mono make for stretch and little room for error. Your hooks must be sharp. Like really sharp. I use a small hand file that is often sold in tackle stores as a hook sharpener (surprise Roll Eyes ). The diamond pattern is the way to sharpen all hooks big or small as the result is 4 strong cutting surfaces. Dig around on utube until you find someone who demonstrates this method. Focusing just on the tip of the hook is ineffective and results in a weak point. It is helpful to have a small pair of needle nose vice grips here to help get the angles correct.

Now the retrieve. If there is limited trees in the water and the weeds haven't grown in yet I prefer to position myself close to the bank and make long casts and retrieve parallel to the bank. This keeps my spoon in "the Zone" for most of the cast. Bear in mind however that early in the spring the wood in the water warms very quickly and fish will gravitate to it and in such cases you will need to be out from the structure and hope you can pull them away. At the beginning of a long cast you should point your rod at the lure as you retrieve and as it gets closer start to create an angle by raising your rod as the lure gets closer. The reason being is the aforementioned line stretch. In tighter there will be very little line stretch and if you are still pointing your rod tip directly at the lure you can kiss it goodbye when Mr. Big grabs hold and you try and give a yank. Conversely if it is way out there and Mr. Fishy bites it is very handy not to have any slack whatsoever. It also helps in detecting a strike.

Strikes on spoons can be tricky. I set the hook on anything. When my spoon hits a weed or a rock or changes cadence (or gets slack!) my wrists are snapping and my handle speed is increased dramatically. You will be surprised how often these weeds and rocks turn out to be fish.

There is one negative with this presentation and single strand wire in general. It can kink and bend and then a new piece must be employed. If the small pike are hot and heavy then this option becomes a non-starter. But if your like me and like to target larger fish then a subtler presentation is usually in order and single strand wire coupled with a spoon in the spring will catch a lot of nice fish.  Smiley





  
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Re: MT's tip of the month /April 2011
Reply #1 - Mar 28th, 2011 at 5:09pm
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Wired2Fish actually had a little segment on spoon fishing today.

i use spoons occasionally for walleyes when they are really biting because they super easy to fish, easy to cast, and cover water quick. for walleyes i prefer the 'red eye' spoons as you mentioned because they are a sleeker, skinnier design that is a bit less erratic and glides a bit better. they are very similar to the mepps syclops spoons. my absolute favorite spoon for walleyes is the northland fire-eye minnow. the one i have for walleyes has a gold underbelly and a hammered finished with a bit of orange to compliment the gold. i prefer the more sweeping glide action.

little cleo and daredevil type spoons with the pronounced cup shape are more spastic and flutter too much for my taste for walleyes. their action is more suited to pike, bass, and trout.

i replaced the treble hooks with a single octopus hook on all of my spoons because its easier on the fish.
  
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Reply #2 - Mar 28th, 2011 at 6:58pm
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be careful if you try trolling with spoons - they need a fairly slow retireve, or they will start spinning and put lots of twist in your line, and sometimes, too fast a troll will see the spoon rise to top and ride like a boat

even just casting and retrieving, a slower retrieve gives a better wiggle I think
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 28th, 2011 at 7:13pm
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Mat couldn't be more correct. This months tip is about casting and retrieving. Observe your spoon and look for the seductive side to side wobble and keep that speed. The 1 ball bearing swivel will help a lot.

This subject, that is preventing line twist when trolling with spoons, has been brought up before and I believe it was Old Salt who gave the very best advice of all on the subject of trolling with spoons and preventing line twist. His advice is to use 2 ball bearing swivels between a piece of leader line (or wire). In other words......One ball bearing swivel at the lure and another 12" or so above it. This will certainly eliminate what could be a huge problem (thanks to Mat for pointing it out) especially when you consider most of us don't have access to replacement line very easily.

In this months tip I purposely forego the swivel at the lure and focus on a more natural presentation. If you take some care not to bring the lure through the water spinning you should have only moderate difficulties with line twist and that only after several hours. To remedy it just let the line out behind the boat a long way and paddle for 1/2 hour os so with no lure attached.
  
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Re: MT's tip of the month /April 2011
Reply #4 - Mar 28th, 2011 at 11:48pm
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I admit to being one of those guys who can count the number of spoons in his tackle box on less than one hand.  I'll give it a go this Spring.

Interesting thread.  Now I have an excuse to go back and drop a few more bucks at my local tackle shop. 

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Reply #5 - Mar 29th, 2011 at 1:09am
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One thing I use spoons on walleyes for is targeting suspended fish. Through the ice, we are using cleos and Swedish pimples tipped with a minnow. Once, about 15 years ago, I saw on the finder what I thought might be walleyes suspended 15 feet down over 30 foot bottom. I thought about ice fishing techniques because of the vertical presentation. Lowered a silver/chartreuse cleo and wham! Fish on! This has turned out to be a reliable pattern on tanic stained rivers I sometimes fish. The walleyes are often suspended at transitions in structure (although sometimes way out over a deep basin), but always about 14-18 feet deep on my local river. Spoons can be the trick and these fish seldom see any lures - either shallow cranks are too far above or jigs on the bottom, both missing them.

  
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Reply #6 - Mar 29th, 2011 at 2:59am
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MT:
Thanks for the post, interesting information and worth a shot.

MM:
I have used a similar jigging approach with some success. I know MT was not discussing NP in his post but I have also caught many NP "jigging" spoons in current from shore in spillways and along sharp drops below falls.

Spoons are very versitile lures.

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Reply #7 - Mar 29th, 2011 at 12:56pm
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That little Red Flicker...

Another thing about spoons. Has anyone noticed increased action from spoons that have that little red flicker of plastic on the treble? MY buddies and I certainly have, especially for brookies and lakers. Take it off or the same spoon without it and its definitely less effective. Have any of you guys noticed this?

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