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 10 MT's tip of the month / Nov 2011 (Read 5168 times)
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MT's tip of the month / Nov 2011
Nov 3rd, 2011 at 11:38am
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RATTLES RE-VISITED

I have gotten more out of this website than I could of imagined. New places to go, superior products, a health ethic and maybe a few new paddlin buddys (my blow up model keeps getting a leak). So I try and give a little something back. Cool (Yes, this is a disclaimer for my self-agrandizing "Tip of the month" )

Rattles.........do they help? Could they be hurting us? IMO the answer is yes on both accounts. My personal belief is the shallower and clearer the water the more counterproductive rattles are going to be, especially on fish of size. My exception to this generalized rule is topwater lures and rattles that are very subtle such as "add on" rattles for a jig.

On the other hand, we can take wave/falls generated noise into account and turbidity as well. Rattles, even loud ones, can help us in these situations even in shallower water.

But generally speaking, if it is still, shallow and calm you are far more likely to spook fish, especially big fish, throwing a loud lure. Conversely , I like a rattling lure for the depths. If it is still out I'll still choose one that is somewhat subtle even in deep water. If it is rough out I'll go louder.

Here is an old trick for quieting a loud plastic crankbait (like a long "A" bomber). Take a safety pin and bend out one end. Then take a lighter and heat it. Poke a small hole in the rattle chamber of the lure. Next take a syringe and squirt some cooking oil into the chamber. Re-heat the safety pin and seal. This will quiet them down a bit. Just don't squirt to much oil in lest you change the lures action.

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Re: MT's tip of the month / Nov 2011
Reply #1 - Nov 3rd, 2011 at 1:33pm
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Clever muffle technique.
  
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Reply #2 - Nov 3rd, 2011 at 11:10pm
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alas, ive been waiting for your tip of the month!

i agree with not using rattles in shallow clear water situations unless its a tiny bead with a gentle noise on a suspending lure (read: husky jerk).

im not really fan of rattles on lures that i cast. granted, i have a small armory of rattle traps, but i dont use them often and with little success. mostly they are my scouting new water crank because you can work they very quickly and they do pick up active fish.

for trolling though, i hardly ever will be caught using a lure without a rattle. i think it really helps fish zone in on your bait. from a distance the rattle is soft and lets the fish know something is coming, then they are alert and move after it. i feel a silent lure may slip by a fish unnoticed if it doesnt displace enough water.

with that though, the water you fish matters too. highly pressured waters i go with quiet subtle lures, but up in the Q where the fishing pressure is minimal, i go with rattles. i do tend to use smaller lures though, so the rattles arent that loud. 15' taildancers and shad x raps are my main lures with 20' taildancers being my largest.
  
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Re: MT's tip of the month / Nov 2011
Reply #3 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 2:29am
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The "Tip of the month" may be a bit intermittent.......I'm running out of original material (that didn't take long  Grin )

It is always interesting to find out what others have luck with. I'm with you Jax on the rattles "waking" fish up. Sometimes you have to shake them up a bit to get a bite. It was common when we bass fished docks to hit the piling with the lure in the hopes of getting them fired up.

We have similar tastes in trolling lures. Except I think I gravitate toward natural color patterns in clear waters....especially poor helpless beautiful trout colors......... Cry  Grin



  
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Reply #4 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 3:21am
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i run mostly natural colors in clear waters also. the exception being firetiger because its good anywhere, anytime, but id still say its second to my black/silver usage. that is on the average day. up in the Q i cant seem to get 'hot flash' off my line though, that color pattern is dynamite, however, it seems to be increasingly difficult to find. i managed to find one in a clearance bin at fleet farm, a 15 footer to pair with my 20 fter that has lost quite a bit of paint over the years. the closest pattern to 'hot flash' seems to be the trout one...  'moss shiner' is one of the newer paint jobs and it outfished me this year in on our trip in much less experienced hands. the guy barely fishes at all, so i gave him pick of my box and he sniped the moss shiner shad body x rap and it didnt leave his rod, and that is with countless trout and pike trying to liberate it.

interestingly enough, both have rattles, but the difference is interesting. the tail dancer has one medium size bead in perpendicular to retreive rattle chamber and the x rap has a large multiple bead parallel chamber.
  
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Re: MT's tip of the month / Nov 2011
Reply #5 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 1:54pm
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mastertangler wrote on Nov 4th, 2011 at 2:29am:
The "Tip of the month" may be a bit intermittent.......I'm running out of original material (that didn't take long  Grin )

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It's the "Tip of the month" not a montly tip!  heehee

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Don't teach a man to fish, and you feed yourself. He's a grown man. Fishing's not that hard. - Ron Swanson
  
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Reply #6 - Nov 8th, 2011 at 9:02pm
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i guess i should mention a few points of interest. when considering trolling lures i pretty much aim for what i think the trout will like most and let the rest fall into place. i dont think trolling up in the Q is the best way to pick up walleyes. i view it as a trout first, because you are paddling and there is a rod and a holder and a lure so why not second sort of option. i know not everyone is of the same mindset, but let me continue. i wonder what lures have caught the most trout over the years. flies, spoons, and inline mepps spinners would be my first guesses(when it comes to artificials). flies are silent completely sight based lures. spoons are big and flashy but on the silent side. and mepps are quiet but provide turbulence for the lateral line. and here we chat about rattles. i must think on this further!
  
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Re: MT's tip of the month / Nov 2011
Reply #7 - Nov 10th, 2011 at 7:56pm
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I make this post at some risk of being a disagreeable type chap (who me Cool ). While I love casting for walleyes and feeling that "tick" when they hit a jig, I honestly find that I catch most of my eyes by trolling Jax.

I think I have it down pretty well though and they generally need to be 15' or deeper lest I spook them. I like 6lb test mono, a 9' steelhead rod and I find a good rod holder a must. The long rod gets a nice bend, I ease around nice and quiet with an occasional glance at the depth finder and before you know it there is a walleye......."oh, its a nice one to" Wink
  
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Re: MT's tip of the month / Nov 2011
Reply #8 - Nov 10th, 2011 at 9:12pm
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Most of my fish are caught trolling.  Even discounting all the time I spend trolling while exploring, which is near half my fishing time.

The only exception is bass.  I'll putter around hitting structure for them all day long.  Depending on the lake & the fishing I might still be in sight of the camp by the end of the day.  Going from Mosquito Point I barely made it to Pickerel Narrows and back in time for dinner!

Trolling simply covers more water.  Also, with more line out there's fewer spooked fish around.
  
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Re: MT's tip of the month / Nov 2011
Reply #9 - Nov 10th, 2011 at 9:27pm
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Preacher wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 9:12pm:
Trolling simply covers more water.  Also, with more line out there's fewer spooked fish around.


I agree with Preacher here in a big way. Sometimes I do target shallow fish when trolling and that is when I let a lot of line out. Not at all unusual for me to dump 1/2 my spool with an original floating rapala. Keep in mind that with mono there will be substantial line stretch and for that reason I am apt to generally point the rod at the lure much more than otherwise. This makes the connection between hook and jaw much quicker.
  
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