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Deep Lakers/Big Pike
Jun 21st, 2012 at 2:58am
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I'm in the middle of planning my trip to Quetico and I am going to be fishing a deep lake with a known population of lakers and BIG pike.
In doing research on lakers, I have read many "how to" articles on catching them. The common thread in them is a suggestion or even a "rule" that you use small baits, usually small spoons and spinners.

I have a different idea.

I plan on using large baits like big Daredevil spoons and large pike sized crankbaits. I will be looking for mid lake humps and main lake points on the main basin, focusing on deep water near inlets or swampy (mesotrophic) bays.
I have an educated guess that the largest pike and lakers use the same structure when feeding on pelagic baitfish during the summer. Structure that is not usually fished, or fished with those small "laker" baits. I plan on using musky sized jigs and salt water crankbaits run deep with inline weight added (I did see the fish looking weight thread, but I have the same fear of a fish hitting the sinker). I have a handfull of 8-10" crankbaits and jigs, inline weights up to 4 Oz, and 30# line all set to go.
The last time we tried jigging 6" Kahlin's grubs on a main lake point my cousin caught a 34" 12# walleye (Sunday lake, but I will NOT tell which point  Wink ). That got me sold on large baits. I have caught walleye up to 7# on large jigs and smallies over 6# on large crankbaits in Quetico since then.

So am I right in my thinking or am I all wet?
What do you think of my plan - would you bet on me being skunked?
Any comments or ideas would be appreciated.
  
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Re: Deep Lakers/Big Pike
Reply #1 - Jun 21st, 2012 at 6:48am
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They seem to like structure as much as any fish except it's deeper or near deeper water at least.

I've never used spoons due to the possible tangle factor but have used 1/4 - 3/8 oz silver tinsel jigs with good success (even trolling 'em) but normally it's trolling deep diving silver/blue cranks for me.

A friend of mine always swore by perch fat raps trolled slowly. In Summer I don't think it's possible to paddle too fast and when you get that telltale nip-nip, give it all you got. IMO LAkers are like bass - an aggressive fish that will hit anything they think might get away just to see how it tastes.

Do fish have taste buds?
  
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Reply #2 - Jun 21st, 2012 at 12:49pm
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seems to me that any time I try trolling with big spoons, they start twirling and twist the hell out of the line - maybe ok if going really slow - I'd try just drifting a big spoon going with the wind, just jigging a bit,  if its slow enough;  otherwise, its usually a rapala or wally diver that goes deep that works for me on lake trout

but I use big plugs too - was using an 8" silver/blue that works well on big pike (only caught one this year, if you want to humor me and say 35" is big, or at least a little big) and waleye (forget the brand - likely something I got at wal-mart or dick's) - even smaller 15" waleye were hitting on that - nice thing, its heavy and can be cast a long way

I figure most fish are going to go after what they can see, and I'd guess that a bigger lure could be seen a little bit farther ?
  
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Re: Deep Lakers/Big Pike
Reply #3 - Jun 21st, 2012 at 1:55pm
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I think this approach would work, but numbers wise for lakers, slightly smaller stuff  (but still large) would work better. They definitely will hit large lures though. They regularly eat small lakers more than 12-14 inches long so.... One thing, I think you will get more lakers with large flutter spoons, like the large Northern King type salmon spoons, as opposed to large wobbling spoons like daredevles. Of course the pike will hit anything. Also don't discount large 'regular' plugs like the number 18 floating rap.

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Reply #4 - Jun 21st, 2012 at 2:17pm
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seems to me that any time I try trolling with big spoons, they start twirling and twist the hell out of the line - maybe ok if going really slow


I had the same problem. I was told by a avid fisherman friend that to avoid that problem it was imperative you use a good swivel and not tie directly to spoon?
Is he right?
  
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Re: Deep Lakers/Big Pike
Reply #5 - Jun 21st, 2012 at 2:54pm
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I use ball bearing snap swivels with everything except jigs and live bait rigs. Cranks, spoons (especially), every bait I throw has a ball bearing snap. Otherwise, you're asking for twist and should not be disapointed when you get it. I also use larger sizes than most, and fish are not put off by them.

About the only spoons I carry are flutter spoons. I carry one daredevle for the odd situation where I may cast it. Most of my fishing is trolling, either while moving on a travel day, or to locate fish on a layover. On layover days, I will make use of the wind to drift troll over reefs, etc.

I'm a believer in big baits=big fish.
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 21st, 2012 at 3:05pm
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Another tip on avoiding line twist is to use two high quality ball bearing snap swivels back to back. Tie one to the end of your line, then connect the snap to the snap of another swivel, then tie another 3-4 feet of line and finally your lure to the last snap.

Haven't done it myself that way but I've heard it works even better than the single snap.

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Reply #7 - Jun 21st, 2012 at 3:37pm
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The farther up your line you have your ball-bearing swivel, the less twist you will get out of spoons.  I tie a 4-5' leader to use when flutter-spooning and put the swivel at the front of the leader.  Makes landing the fish a little more tricky but with the big wobbles, spins, and flips you get out of a large spoon, a swivel too close to the spoon doesn't stand a chance of eliminating the twist.

If you aren't using a ball-bearing swivel, don't even bother.  The cheapie swivels with no ball bearings are a total waste of money.  You are lucky if they even work 20% as well as a ball-bearing swivel.

If you DO get line twist, your best strategy is to just cut off all your terminal tackle and troll for a while while just feeding out bare line until you are past all of the twist.  This allows the line to untwist naturally as it passes thru the water.  5-10 minutes of this will usually do the trick.

Check your lure action and trolling speed next to the boat when using spoons.  It's easy to go too fast and destroy the action of the spoon.  Too fast and it just spins around in a way that doesn't produce fish.  You want that spoon to dance and dart around a lot, not just spin tightly.

Mylar spoons are awesome at deeper depths.  You get a ton more flash and it mimics the shiny gold or silver color of ciscoes, alewives, smelt, etc. which are the prey fish that swim deeper down and over open water.  You can even find mylar tape and add it to spoons that have none.
  
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Re: Deep Lakers/Big Pike
Reply #8 - Jun 21st, 2012 at 6:25pm
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Good stuff on the use of swivels/flutter spoons.
I have used swivels on spoons but still got the line twist. I see now I should of used a leader with a swivel at the line end or maybe there and at the spoon too.

What 1lb test swivels do you use? Any special type of snap swivel? I like the Coast-Lock type, seem easier to open/close.
  
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Reply #9 - Jun 21st, 2012 at 6:40pm
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Personally, I like Berkley Cross Lock swivels. Match size to lure and line weight but generally prefer the smallest size I know to be strong enough.

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