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Reply #60 - Feb 21st, 2014 at 1:10pm
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9 volt batteries are small and that would be nice to carry.   One 9 volt battery would be too low a voltage and 2 in series would be too high.  There is not enough capacity to run a detector for very long.  Your suggestion of lighting got me to thinking.  I have found area lighting uses a lot of power but if you can light only the area you are working in it would greatly reduce the power required.  Like the cap mounted led lights.  I could see mounting one on the gunnel.  Your comments bring visions of trying to tie a knot in the dark and what would help would be a light mounted near your hands.  Something that was easy to turn on and off would last for years.  If you come up with something that work well let us know what your find.
  
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Reply #61 - Feb 21st, 2014 at 1:45pm
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If you want small lights close and low, to use in tying knots, some tackle boxes some with LED lights just for this purpose..

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Reply #62 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 3:03pm
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Well I have been doing some digging and the news (as I suspected) is not good.

The lowrance Mark 4 draws 0.25 a
The lowrance elite DSI 4 which I am so fond of draws over double at 0.75 a

Maybe some of you electronic types could help me out ( I basically failed DC fundamentals in college) If I were to run the DSI unit for 10 hours per day for 20 days how much juice would I need?

And the next question.......which one of these batteries would make the grade.
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And of course I am appreciative for the advice Thumbs Upup
  
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Reply #63 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 7:23pm
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Where did you get the current readings for the 2 fish detectors? 
If your detector is drawing .75 A then it requires .75AH each hour.  Also .75AH is the same as 750mAH.
The 3 batteries you listed are 8330mAH, 10830mAH, and 15000mAH. They will run your power hog .75A for 11 hour and 6 minutes, 14 hours and 26 minutes, and 20 hours. 
A serious fisherman needs to have a detector working about 7 hours a day so one of those 15000mAH batteries will last about 3 days. So for a 10 day trip you only need 3 of those 12LB batteries.
I am looking at how the current varies with the depth of the water and have found that my detector draws about 2 times as much current at 30 feet as it does at 3 feet.  I should have better data on several detectors in about a week.
You might consider one of these for each day
(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) They are not stocked in US so shipping charges may be $20 but if shipping several the per item cost may be reasonable.  YOU WILL NEED A PROTECTION BOARD.  I can get you information on those if interested.
  
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Reply #64 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 8:15pm
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My multiple firsthand testing with what I use is:
#1 - 8AAs  will easily last me 2 trips ~5hrs a day so.. 100+ hours.
#2 - Forget to turn it off at night in an overturned canoe and I consider myself lucky to hear the low battery warning in the morning.

A favor Magic? Can you test the bonehead current draw when forgetting to turn 'em off and pinging the Milky Way all night?

Since I'm the weakest link. For me that means 16 LI AAs per trip so about a half pound of batteries... plus FISH LO-K-TOR.
  
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Reply #65 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 8:50pm
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Magicpaddler wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 7:23pm:
Where did you get the current readings for the 2 fish detectors?


Ahem......a kayaking forum. Blasted kayak fishermen, they really have no clue what they are talking about 1/2 the time  Wink....... (which in this instance is 1/2 better than me)

Maybe they got the decimal point wrong. The guy probably meant milli amps instead of amps? The guy sounded so convincing Tongue even naming the depth finders in question. Maybe I'm not reading it right........
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The only thing that rings true is my beloved and wonderful finder is a juice hog. Anyway, I want to go for at least 2 weeks, maybe a month and have the thing on daylight to dark as I troll my way around the park. Thats all I ask.........

I had hoped not to have to bring an entourage to carry my stuff >> 2 guys with a long pole carrying the 12 volt batteries between them  Grin 
  
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Reply #66 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 9:08pm
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OK.....
looked in the manual and at 13.5V is 250mha, not sure what that means but could be helpful. Wish I was smarter (might as well throw in better looking and a few extra bucks wouldn't hurt as long as I'm at it  Grin )
  
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Reply #67 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 11:17pm
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I think the manual said 250 ma not 250 mah.  If that is so take the numbers I gave you for how long the batteries below will last and multiply them by 3. 
Read that thread you referenced below all the way to the end.  Ya they are a little confused about how long the battery should last and I think that is due to the .75A  which I hope is incorrect.  They mention a battery form Hobbyking.  I own one of those batteries and it is a 4 cell.  If your detector will work down to 10 volts (Look in the manual) I would recommend a 3 cell battery. They also talk about fire.  The fires I have heard of were caused by one of 3 things.  Over charging (protection card prevents this).  Too high of current (protection card prevents this unless the current rise is fast enough to destroy the card before it can interrupt the current (then a fuse will work)). Mechanical damage to the battery(don’t stick your knife into the battery). The battery I suggested below is a grade B batteries (will not supply high(5+ A) of current) which is not stocked in US but there are some grade A batteries that are stocked in US.
Can I borrow your detector tomorrow I am going to go measure the current at different depths.
  
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Reply #68 - Apr 9th, 2014 at 1:17am
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This whole thing is absurd. I fret and worry about ounces. Spend major league dough upgrading rain gear to save a lb.......get titanium cook wear to save a few more ounces.......and so on.....and so on.

All so I can lug around a 12lb battery for a month. Never mind crazy town, I am the mayor of crazy town.

And yet.......I love to run a lure while I travel. The finder makes everything hassle free. No going back to free my lure from some errant rocky point or tree. Am I in 12ft or 60? Tough to tell without a finder.

And of course the argument which keeps coming up.......if I go for more than a few weeks I'm likely going to be triple portaging anyways. Whats the big deal with a 12lb battery? I usually go from daylight to dark so the extra trip is not that big a deal.......it is, after all, a fishing trip is it not?

Amazing how we can talk our selves into things isn't it? Rationalizing, deflecting, justifying.........Will I be happy without a finder.......and unfortunately after having had the best will I be content with less? No and no.

I should probably bring a cheap little tester so I can keep an eye on it. Don't want to drain it completely and ruin it, sort of expensive. Love the glass mat technology however. Maybe I can ration the thing so it will last.

Anyways, thanks guys.......special thanks to MP. Ever consider manufacturing those battery holders you make MP? If you could send me a prototype I could present it to the board at MT enterprises for consideration to go nationwide with them. I'm sure we could arrange something in the way of gratuity  Wink
  
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Reply #69 - Apr 9th, 2014 at 2:35am
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Yeah MT, I have a hard time with this thread.  I suppose I am about to make this discussion a complete 180 degrees, but what-the-hell, bring along some more AA batteries and forget-about-it!!

I think you're over-analyzing.

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