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How much planning do you do?
Oct 1st, 2013 at 7:53pm
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db wrote on Oct 1st, 2013 at 6:33am:
I much prefer to read other's impressions of places AFTER I've been there

Canoe season is drawing to a close in BW/Q, so for many of us, sometime over the next few months it'll be time to start planning next year's trip(s).

For me, that means choosing a calendar slot and route, then searching PCD, the portage databases and the forums for info on the campsites, portages, and lakes. Then I make custom 1:50000 maps of the route and plan out a day-by-day itinerary.

My itineraries aren't meant to be slavishly followed. Rather, they're sets of benchmarks: if I choose or am forced to delay or accelerate part of a trip, I know where I might have to cut the time short or where I might get to spend extra time if I like the area. And I always know where most of the good campsites are.

I also like to use the itineraries as scratch pads for info that might be of use. Like for the Baird to Unnamed portage: "The high route (preferred, not shown on map) starts at a small landing 200 m S of the knee deep bog route takeout"

Does this take all the joy of discovery out of tripping? Quite the opposite: Once all my options have been clearly laid out beforehand, I never have to do much thinking and can spend my valuable canoe time living "in the moment". A quick look at the topo map and you know pretty much what a given lake or river looks like before you get there anyway, so in one sense there isn't much discovery left regardless of how much planning you do. But the weather and seasons are always changing, and the small scale details of the landscape are always unpredictable, so in another sense, it's almost all discovery, no matter how many trip reports you read in advance.

What approach do other people take to canoe trip planning?
  
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Re: How much planning do you do?
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We do not plan that carefully, and even when we took longer and more difficult trips (read that: when we were younger and in better physical condition) we really didn't.

First we choose a date and decide how many days the trip will be.  Then we pick an entry point based upon how many travel days we expect and if we want to have layover days.  We always plan for at least one layover day/wind day, sometimes more. 

We do sometimes read information on portages on our planned trips, but never about campsites and we never plan to stay at a particular site.  Sometimes we have hoped for one, especially if we were repeating a lake and want to stay at a remembered site that we liked a lot, but that usually doesn't work out anyway.   Sad

I really prefer not to have information about the campsites, as I like to be surprised when I see them the first time.

We only take the standard Fisher or McKenzie maps and don't take a GPS or make itineraries ahead of time.

Actually, now that I think about it, our planning hasn't changed hardly at all in 42 years.  That's sort of scary, isn't it? Undecided
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 12:21am
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I'm with Joe 100%. I do almost exactly what he does in getting ready for a trip. I've always said that, whether it's a canoe trip or some other trip, half of the enjoyment comes from planning it.

Since our Quetico trips are almost always in September, it means I have to start planning in early January to get maximum benefit of this planning phase! (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 12:22am
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in years past we had a little more difficult time getting the week we were going determined being that we all were in college and my little brother was involved in collegiate athletics that ran into june (depending on how well he performed).

now that we are all graduated and are settled in jobs, its pretty easy. when we are all together around christmas time we pick a week in june.

i pretty much am planning all year round. im always on the lookout for items that would make portaging easier, fishing more successful, bugs less annoying, weather variation more tolerable.

usually about 1 month before our entry date all the gear gets pulled out, tents get waterproof sprayed, as do the packs. everything is run over with a fine tooth comb. tarps are refolded to pack smaller and everything is then packed away. in spurts of excitedness as the days grow closer to leaving, i pull everything out and repack. this happens probably 3-4 times. i pay special attention to the water purifier and make sure the filter is clean and dry (one year, in my brothers custody since the last trip, the filter made its way up there full of mold, never again)

as for the trip itself, we dont really plan. we pick a spot to basecamp (always the same spot, with a backup, just in case) and go from there. one day we might try a more movement/exploration based where wed look to plan a bit more.

but then again, for us, its all the about the fishing.
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 2:19am
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My trip planning is along the lines of Spartan II.  Too much detail makes me physically tired! 

My wife, on the other hand, is a classic analyst.  To her, there is no such thing as too much information, too much detail, too many options.  For me, I prefer the view from 30,000 feet.  Give me a general idea and that's good enough. 

Fascinating how we all  differ in interpreting information.  It's been the subject of advanced degrees, books, and technical workshops. 

How boring life would be if we were all the same.

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Reply #5 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 6:48am
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My approach was once like jax's. I'd fine tune gear, page through catalogs upon my return and pack and repack again and again starting in January. I really enjoyed doing it too. That was actually a big part of the overall trip for me in those pre-internet days. That's why I started the forums but in a way, I kind of miss those days. A friend and I would even do reconnaissance trips in May for group trips later that year. There where no maps with dots that we knew of at the time.

Now my wife will normally start bugging me saying my window is closing and I find my list of what worked and what didn't from last year and arrange my life only to decide where to go a night or two before I leave.

I do check the PCD on lakes I don't know because I like a good campsite for layover days. My taste is a little different sometimes but that's OK too. At least I'm relatively sure there's a site there worth checking and not just a dot on a map.

Most of the planning I do now is paying bills and making a map with circles and arrows for my wife in case I mess up.
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 1:30pm
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Seems we all have our own ways to plan and trip, but there are many similarities.  Up until the past couple years, I planned in great detail--maps, numbers of days, routes, alternate routes, campsites, reservations months prior, portage information, food lists, hotels, tows, you name it. 

Now I just sorta sit around late winter and spring deciding how many trips, how many days, and the general area I want to visit.  I'll look at the forums and the PCD for campsite/portage/fishing info.  Last few trips I've found the campsite data to be hit and miss with someone's 5-star being a 2-star for me or vice-versa.  I'll get out my McKenzie maps and dot the prime campsites to look at along the way.  If I'm traveling to a new more remote area for me, I'll make a portage note or two if available on the maps.  I don't bother with GPS and other electronic means of navigation. 

Since I drive about 1000 miles each way, I'll make Q reservations 2 weeks or so in advance along with bunkhouses/hotels/tows.  Then I'll prep the canoes, tents, tarps and packs.  A couple days prior to departing, I'll update my checklist, permethrin my clothing, purchase food and start packing the camping and fishing gear.  Last thing I do is leave an itinerary with my wife, check everything off a list as I pack it and put it into the car, give her a kiss and I'm off.
  
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Reply #7 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 1:36pm
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I do a lot of planning.  you have to for the long loop trips I like to do, travelling every day but for one layover day (usually).  I "need" to be halfway thru the loop by mid-trip so I can get back on time.  I do a detailed itinerary breaking up the trip into segments - each lake and each portage, by how long I estimate the segment to take, and total up the pieces into a longish travel day or 10 or 12 hours(thoug I'll often alternate shorter days with longer ones) - then I fine tune the trip if I need to cut off some miles somewhere, or maybe plan a sidetrip if I have that extra time.  I've been thru most of the park, so I already have those segments figured out from previous trips, so its not that much work to lay out a days travel.  Usually, I alread know the campsites, but if moving thru a new area or someplace I haven't been to for a long time, I will use the PCD to check them out.  I'll generally have a destination campsite in mind for the end of each day, along with several other choices as backup in case the site I wanted is taken, or if I have to stop short for the day.

Gear is pretty easy - just go thru the checklists.  Much of the stuff I take to Quetico is Q-centric - its just used for Quetico, and stays together in a box.  Packing the food is what takes the most time for me.  Then its fine tuning the gear and food to get the weight down to what I'm willing to carry.

its easy to not do any planning if you are taking 10 days to travel a 5 day loop, or just base camping - but to cover a 10 day loop in 10 days, you need to plan a lot better.
  
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Reply #8 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 1:40pm
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These days, planning is agreeing on when and where and waiting for Pascanell to show up in my driveway.

With the exception of food, we basically stay packed for canoe camping all year so we can head to the cabin for long weekends and sneak down through Batch or Beaverhouse 3-4 times a summer.
  
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Reply #9 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 4:44pm
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I keep all my outdoor gear in specific tote boxes except clothing items that serve multiple needs.

I like to start buying food stuffs and have all that ready well before a trip.
I do check/run my Peak 1 stove before a trip because last thing I want is too play stove mechanic in the woods. Sad Everything else is always repaired after a trip before being packed away.

I lay out my intended route and pack the necessary maps in case along with the overall park map incase I decide to really deviate from planned route.
I don't mark campsites unless I read on the QJ there close to good fishing spot.
Same with portages. I might read the trip reports but as we all know, like campsites they can really vary from one paddler/season to another.

Too much info at least for me takes away the joy of discovering someplace that is brand "new".

  
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