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Re: Another one of them RABC questions
Reply #10 - Jun 2nd, 2015 at 12:15pm
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Seems logical if the rabc is taking the place of a visit to customs upon entry I will be good. We shall see.
pd, we probably will be on the road by then. More than likely next year will be Aug. again with 'Sam'. Maybe we can plan our walleye wing nite then, eh.
  
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Reply #11 - Jun 2nd, 2015 at 8:09pm
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Everyone should do what they want but I just called the Canada Border Services Agency and the agent I spoke with was quite certain and clear that it must be valid the entire time you are there.  This is second time I have verified this.  Without any prompting, the agent said that you could be stopped at any time by an agent and it must be valid, and not expired.  The border agents don't give a hoot about a provincial park permit.

I'm sure people have done it, and since I have never had to show my RABC to anyone, I could have done it, but I didn't.  Overwhelming odds that you could do a lot of trips in Quetico without ever bothering because enforcement is practically zero.  But to be legally there, after entering remotely, you must be in possession of a valid - unexpired - RABC.

If someone has some actual proof that the agent I just spoke with was giving out misinformation, please post with some source information.
  
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Reply #12 - Jun 2nd, 2015 at 9:41pm
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Wow, thanks Bill, I can't argue with that. Ignorance can be blissful but costly. Did you try to push my logic thing?
  
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Reply #13 - Jun 2nd, 2015 at 11:54pm
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Federal government logic? Is that like military intelligence? Don't park on the driveway and don't drive on the parkway?

Just protecting ol' DB here. Someone gets punched based on misinformation here, they'd be POed.
  
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Re: Another one of them RABC questions
Reply #14 - Jun 3rd, 2015 at 1:12am
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Well, if I took bad advice, I would be upset at myself, not the website.

Anyway, I took a look at the Canadian website, (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links); to see if I was mistaken. Turns out it reads that the RABC must be valid on the date of the crossing into Canada. It is a border crossing permit. No mention is made of any need for it to be valid during the entire stay.

While I don't doubt Bill's conversation, border officers don't really deal with RABC crossings. If it were me, I would use it. It's valid and paid for.
  
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Reply #15 - Jun 3rd, 2015 at 11:52am
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Thanks OS, I can't seem to connect with the CBSA site but I will check it out. I'm still pissed that they took that 2nd year away!
Winning!
  
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Reply #16 - Jun 3rd, 2015 at 12:00pm
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People can decide if they want to rely in your interpretation if what it says (and dies not say) in a web site or my report of talkingvto a border agent in the office that issues the RABC - on two separate occasions. The fact is they don't know when you crossed the border and the Q permit is not proof of when you crossed the border.

Please prive me wrong with proof, not wishes and conjecture.

There's nothing personal here, I just believe in following the laws and hope all will.

Please calk the RABC office. They are wonderfully polite and understood exactly what I was asking, seemed very familiar with the subject and inquiry, and could not be talked out of it nor did they waiver at all. They didn't even try to hurry and would have continued to discuss it. Yesterday and several years ago as well.

True that winning the lottery seems more likely than being asked to show your RABC but I wouldn't go without a valid one. And I'm so cautious I wouldn't even plan on cutting it close in case I was weather delayed leaving. But that's me.
  
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Reply #17 - Jun 3rd, 2015 at 1:03pm
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By reading the CBSA site I would agree with OS. After calling I feel I will have to send for a new one. I was convinced by the mention of a $1,000 fine! Thanks Bill Cry
  
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Re: Another one of them RABC questions
Reply #18 - Jun 3rd, 2015 at 4:55pm
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Hmm? Is it my bad if I leave my Passport in my car while in Q if I crossed at Ft Frances?
  
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Re: Another one of them RABC questions
Reply #19 - Jun 3rd, 2015 at 5:22pm
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Jim J Solo wrote on Jun 3rd, 2015 at 4:55pm:
Hmm? Is it my bad if I leave my Passport in my car while in Q if I crossed at Ft Frances?


If you mean you cross the border at Ft Frances and put in from CA side and plan to exit CA side?  Not a problem as far as I can tell.  However should your plan to exit on CA side change - like a serious medical emergency that requires you to be evaced somewhere - you might wish you had the passport with you.  (That is more the case if you enter on a RABC imho.)  On the other hand, I could see my passport being left at some site while I with a stroke or heart attack or some such malady am whisked away by air to Atikokan (or Thunder Bay?) for medical attention, and then its really hard to get.  It's one of those cases where I wish I had a redundant WHTI document or two.
  
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