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How'd you learn?
Nov 3rd, 2016 at 6:50pm
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So I saw (and bought) a used copy of "Canoeing" by Ray Goodwin, who is called the UK's best-known canoe coach (I first heard of Goodwin by seeing him on one of Ray Mears' bushcraft videos).

This was out of curiosity more than anything. It's just FILLED with pictures and descriptions of every stroke known to man, plus techniques for every possible situation involving capsizing, rapids and so forth.

Most of it is way beyond me, but it got me to wondering about training and classes and such. So, again I'm curious:

How did you learn to paddle? Just by osmosis and practice?

Or did you take a class? If so, a basic one or detailed, sophistication instruction? Was it worth it? How long did it last? Where taught? What type of water did you practice on? Details  about the instruction would be interesting to me.

(As for me, I first went to Quetico having been in a canoe probably 2 or 3 times. Learned just by doing it and asking questions. I know probably four or five strokes, and 99 percent of my paddling has been on open water (lakes and big rivers), or small creeks, rather than rapids.)

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Reply #1 - Nov 3rd, 2016 at 7:52pm
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(As for me, I first went to Quetico having been in a canoe probably 2 or 3 times. Learned just by doing it and asking questions. I know probably four or five strokes, and 99 percent of my paddling has been on open water (lakes and big rivers), or small creeks, rather than rapids.)


Same here. I think if you have the time/place to learn all those advanced skills that's great, but realistically how many people do?

  If you picked up a book or video before having any experience you might be so intimidated you'd never go on a trip.

I've been in places that based on my skills I probably shouldn't have been but made it thru because I take it slow and easy and always leave myself an out.

There is a "geek' factor to every endeavor where people just literally overload themselves with knowledge that unless you can practice on a regular basis you can't get into muscle memory and IF you need it, chances are you won't have it. You might know what you should do, you just can't do it.

  
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Reply #2 - Nov 4th, 2016 at 11:22am
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Growing up un the U.P., we had an aluminum canoe since I was about 7. I would paddle and fish in our bayou just off Lake Superior,  with my friends. My dad would take me out sometimes too, sometimes on the big lake,, and he gave me the basics. In high school, now in lower Michigan,  I'd go on day trips down the Pine  and Manistee rivers. I guess when I got older and began taking trips to Sylvania and Quetico,  I never really thought about it, paddling just seemed instinctive.
  
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Reply #3 - Nov 4th, 2016 at 1:33pm
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I took a PE class in college then worked 2 summers at Camp Easton on Little Long lake by Ely.  Started tripping after that.  The only rapids I have run were on the Namakan river, Quetico and Lady.

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Reply #4 - Nov 4th, 2016 at 3:15pm
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Probably if you saw me paddling, even today, you might say I have never learned!   Grin  I got my introduction to canoeing as a college coed in 1966 on the Red Cedar River in East Lansing, in the bow of an aluminum canoe with Spartan1 in the stern.  And I was pretty awful at it!  He was a patient teacher, and I learned to just paddle, first one side and then the other.  Pretty basic stuff.

My first canoe trip was in 1971 and it was not an easy trip.  We did the Namakan River loop, starting out at Crane Lake, and we didn't take a tow boat.  Paddled the Loon River, did the portages, paddled on Crane Lake, Sand Point Lake, LLC, etc.  It was a bit of a baptism of fire for a green newbie and I learned to paddle on a lake, but to this day I have never mastered real bow strokes on something like a winding creek.  I can often hear Spartan1 "sigh" in the stern of the canoe when I screw up on creek maneuvers, so I know I don't do that stuff right.

When we have done rapids, which has been rarely, as he pointed out, I tend to just grab the sides of the canoe and pray!  I am not much help.  But Lady Rapids on the Namakan was a real thrill for me, both times that we ran it.  I am not a brave person by nature, and whitewater canoeing is not my "thing", but that one does stick out as a fond memory.  Roll Eyes

  
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Reply #5 - Nov 4th, 2016 at 4:25pm
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Thanks for the replies.

And I'm sorry, but this made me laugh. Quite a bit.

Spartan2 wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 3:15pm:
I can often hear Spartan1 "sigh" in the stern of the canoe when ...


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I tend to just grab the sides of the canoe and pray!
Grin Grin

2 of the guys I used to trip with went down or tried to EVERY rapid we ever tried to run. They lined up for the run and just hung on. Their "theory' was the current would carry them through "naturally"  Huh Grin Grin They made some, dumped in most and NEVER learned any better.
  
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Reply #7 - Nov 4th, 2016 at 8:29pm
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I bought an aluminum 17 foot, 74 lbs Sea Nymph canoe in the mid 1970’s.  I banged around on a couple of local lakes that were 300 to 600 acres in size, using a Feather brand paddle. My technique / stroke was lousy.  That winter I saw a fishing show on TV that featured two guys I had never heard of, Glen Lau and Bob Cary.  They were fishing Basswood Falls and in a place called the BWCA and Quetico.  I bought a copy of Bob’s book “The Big Wilderness Canoe Manual” and scheduled a trip that summer.  All of my early canoeing and camping knowledge came from that one book without a human being involved to help me separate fact from fiction.  I bought a #4 Duluth pack and did everything within my ability to pack it like Bob’s pen and ink drawing showed in the book.  Only about half of my gear would fit and looked nothing like the sketch.  The trip did take place with my Sea Nymph canoe, a pocket full of youthful enthusiasm and a brain empty of any real knowledge of what the hell I was doing.  Swore I would never return, and then promptly planned the next trip while driving home.  I still have the canoe and paddle, the #4 has been on every trip since, my technique is still poor and I still pull Bob’s book out and read a bit while thanking him for the introduction to the area that I look forward to visiting as often as I can.

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Reply #8 - Nov 4th, 2016 at 9:14pm
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I spent 8 weeks each summer at a camp in NH from age 8-12. Canoeing, with instruction, was a frequent activity there.  So I have a very easy J-stroke for lake paddling. I have had no instruction in river/rapid paddling but done it many a time. Despite attempts by my fellow travelors to education me, I am not very good at either reading current or manuevering in it.
  
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Reply #9 - Nov 4th, 2016 at 9:16pm
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kypaddler wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 4:25pm:
Thanks for the replies.

And I'm sorry, but this made me laugh. Quite a bit.

Spartan2 wrote on Nov 4th, 2016 at 3:15pm:
I can often hear Spartan1 "sigh" in the stern of the canoe when ...


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But, for all of those years, he still took me along!  For 42 years.  So I must do something right?   Wink
  
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Reply #10 - Nov 4th, 2016 at 11:38pm
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It was Scout camp in the early 80's, Canoeing Merit Badge specifically, where I learned the basic strokes and after paddling freely around the lake at Camp Two Bear in WI, acquired my love of the freedom that paddling brings.  Several trips on the Wisconsin and Kickapoo rivers enhanced those skills and then more down the south fork of the Shenandoah years later as a Scout leader revived that lust for the freedom of paddling.  That led to the first wilderness trip in '99 with Scouts into the Quetico.  It wasn't until then that I really honed the basics and began to get into a rhythm that began to feel natural and developed that muscle memory that ST spoke of.  The Shenandoah has a few Class I and II's and I can read a bit of river, but nothing extensive.  I prefer flat or mostly flat water paddling, but would take a remote river trip with perhaps a few folks with some more whitewater skill and a bit of practice on my part.

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Reply #11 - Nov 6th, 2016 at 4:08am
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I don't have any memory of learning how to canoe.  I just know that at some point in my life I could handle a canoe.  I remember when I was about 14 or 15 that I was canoeing with two of my friends on the Enterprise Creek in Enterprise, Wisconsin going duck hunting.  We had a 22 and were going to shoot a duck in the part of the creek that had marsh and pot holes.  We eventually shot a duck.  We made a fire and cooked the duck over the fire.  I had no training regarding white water other than getting on a river and going down with the current.  The Brule River in Brule, Wisconsin has been where I have done the most white water canoeing.
  
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I also don't recall any instruction on paddling. On my first trip, as a teenager, I just started paddling. I'm sure I watched and learned from other paddlers, but mostly just figured out what worked. Over the years, I have encountered weather conditions of all sorts. I take fewer chances than I did when younger, but still enjoy the freedom and control a paddle gives. Cool
  
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No training here either, that is because everyone knows the that All Males born in North America are born knowing how to paddle a canoe, shoot a rifle and use an axe.  Grin
  
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in the early 80's took a pe class with my brother at a local community college. it was fun and informative.  they taught j stroke, diff between lake and river paddling. pull out and catch an eddy. stuff like that.
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Fallguy wrote on Nov 6th, 2016 at 1:05pm:
No training here either, that is because everyone knows the that All Males born in North America are born knowing how to paddle a canoe, shoot a rifle and use an axe.  Grin


True that.

Reminds me of this: Years ago one of my brothers in law and I took my son and my nephew on their first squirrel hunting trip. Afterward, I was showing my son how to field-dress a squirrel, and my bro in law snapped a photo, which he then posted on a knife-makers forum he belonged to.

One of the comments from someone up your way: "You know it's Kentucky when a young boy is learning (the messy process) of gutting a squirrel, and his buddy is sitting on a log and nonchalantly eating a sandwich while taking it all in."

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I grew up with boats so I can't say when I started paddling.  Early teens, I suppose.  I recall a canoe trip on the Whitewater River in SE Indiana (no whitewater on that trip, thank god).  Four people, two aluminum tanks, and lots of turns. I followed Yogi Berra's advice that "you can learn a lot just by watching."  It wasn't pretty but we tracked well and didn't get slammed into the banks.  That was in 1972, a year out of college.

In later years I paddled when I could, doing a lot of trips on local lakes and the Kickapoo River in western Wisconsin with my ex and eventually our kids.  I borrowed and rented boats and continued to learn, slowly, by watching.

Then in 1993 I borrowed a friend's Blackhawk Nighthawk, 13'4" of twitchiness, a dump just waiting to happen.  For two days on the winding Kickapoo River I learned how to paddle a solo canoe without dumping.

In 2000 I finally bought my first canoe, a solo/tandem model, and soon afterwards got a copy of the book, "Paddle Your Own Canoe" by Gary and Joanie McGuffin.  I studied that book - and a few others - backwards and forwards and learned a lot.  I probably unlearned more bad habits than I learned good ones.  I got a Royalex tandem and started doing Class I and II whitewater.  I've had about a dozen boats since then, but I have only five left, two tandems and three solos.

In 2012 I got certified as an American Canoe Assn. moving water canoeing instructor and taught for three years until an autoimmune problem sidelined me, hopefully only temporarily.

My first BW trip was in 2009 with my son.  The learning process was similar: read up on it, listen to people who've been there before, and learn from mistakes. 15 trips later I'm not about to quit.

So I guess the short of it all is that I taught myself through experience, books, and a few friends who were only too happy to help me along.
  
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I remember going down the White River in Indiana with my Dad a few times in a borrowed canoe, seeing Great Blue Herons flying overhead. 
When I was in college, I took a canoe class.  I learned the basic strokes, braces, 2 canoe and self rescue, etc.  I then proceeded to use those skills in a few Fraternity canoe trips down Sugar Creek in Indiana, and also a few family canoe trips on the same waterway. 
Nearly 30 years later, at age 49, circumstances came together, and I decided I wanted to do a wilderness trip in the Boundary Waters.  I called Piragis, and they set me up for my first trip, solo, entering Stuart River.  About 8 hours later, I had learned how to portage, how to paddle, and how to get over and around the biggest beaver dams I had ever seen.  Shocked
I wasn't real efficient, but I got better as the week passed.  I learned that I didn't like using a kayak paddle, even when Lac LaCroix had to be crossed into the wind.  On my last day, I learned how to paddle upstream and over beaver dams!  (Moose River)  I also learned how great other paddlers are when 2 guys who had dropped their first load at the entry, carried my packs for me on my portage out to my truck.

Since then I have bought all the gear, from stoves to packs to hammock and quilts.  I even found a used Magic for sale in Ohio after looking for 9 months.  I have read about paddling technique and practiced on a local gravel pit, and made about 10 river trips this last summer up to 29 miles one day.
But I learned the most that one week alone in the Boundary waters, and it wasn't just canoe skills I learned.
  
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I watched a Red Rock Wilderness store video on how to do the "J" stroke. Cheesy
  
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